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Big Tone
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Being paradoxical for a minute, one way to rid the roads of cameras is to obey the speed limit, at which point they become unnecessary!?!


Well, in certain areas there are so many cars that you can't go any quicker than the slowest car anyway. You only need one person to ridgidly stick to a low speed, so it's already self regulating to an extent.

That aside, why is it that cars these days have never been designed better with better braking, crumple zones, better handling etc. and yet we see limits being lowered all the time.

My Mazda was a totally different animal to the Ford Anglia of 1960 when the 30 limit was deemed okay then using far worse cars. Where was the nanny state then?

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Big Tone wrote:
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one way to rid the roads of cameras is to obey the speed limit, at which point they become unnecessary!?!


Well, in certain areas there are so many cars that you can't go any quicker than the slowest car anyway. You only need one person to rigidly stick to a low speed, so it's already self regulating to an extent.


Some drivers (almost the majority) do not respect the decision of those who have decided not to speed. It might be the "dominance" factor that I was on about, or something else, but the urge to tailgate those who are going at or under the limit seems to be irresistible. I find that, once the pressure is on, it is quite difficult to resist zooming along myself, out of pity or fear, or some mixture of both! Whatever the reason, perhaps the limit mitigates against the "pushers" of this world?

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That aside, why is it that cars these days have never been designed better with better braking, crumple zones, better handling etc. and yet we see limits being lowered all the time.


It's those kids who got squashed - the parents got fed up with it, I expect. On a technical level, no improvement in braking can impact on the "reaction time" component, and crumple zones help those inside, more than the ones who get crushed. The handling too is of limited use when crushing (say) a child in the 30 zone.

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My Mazda was a totally different animal to the Ford Anglia of 1960 when the 30 limit was deemed okay then using far worse cars. Where was the nanny state then?


You are right. There's no way they had any respect for people at all back then. Back in the 60's, the British government intentionally used soldiers and civilians as human guinea pigs in nuclear tests, and injected them with all manner of odd stuff at Porton Down! How times have changed, eh? You wouldn’t get away with that nowadays.
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Oscar wrote:
Funny, don't remember that happening when there were no speed limits! :scratchchin:


Yes, time indeed blunts the memory ...
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How can the same stretch of road be safe at 30 mph when it can be: wet/dry, uphill/downhill, children present/no-one around, night-time and foggy/sunny daylight etc.? The 20 mph sign that flashes me 24/7 and yet the only time someone is around is for an hour in the morning and again in the afternoon five days a week. Ah no, it's 20 mph 24/7. That makes sense too does it?


The highway code makes it very clear that the posted maximum speed is the maximum speed limit, and it might not be safe to drive at that speed: -

The speed limit is the absolute maximum and does not mean it is safe to drive at that speed irrespective of conditions. Driving at speeds too fast for the road and traffic conditions is dangerous. You should always reduce your speed when

the road layout or condition presents hazards, such as bends
sharing the road with pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders, particularly children, and motorcyclists


weather conditions make it safer to do so
driving at night as it is more difficult to see other road users


Which mean at safe speed und not at lolly speed :wink: Which ist what we keep saying :wink:

But the Highway Code ist equally clear about its rules for cyclists - especially over lights, not riding on pavement und Rule 69 about obeying all traffic signs INCLUDING TRAFFIC LIGHTS :wink:

Rule 175 -176 und 177 then apply :wink:

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Valle Crucis wrote:
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So what is very obvious to me is a posted speed limit cannot, will not, has never, will never, represent a safe speed for the conditions.


Can't the same be said of most other "limits"? Will 16 ever represent a safe age for starting to have sex?



Teenagers do become "active" before this age. But there ist evidence to suggest developing body at risk.. hence the controversial "jab" for girls aged 11 which has been tagged the "promiscuity licence" by some :roll: :popcorn:

But choices etc. depend very much on quality of parenting :wink:


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!? Will 1.6 millimeters ever represent a safe depth for a tyre's tread?


backed up evidence from tyre industry to support this in terms of how worn tyres do not grip road... :roll:

Besides.. most drivers can "feel" the loss of grip. It a bit like the tennis ball losing bounce in hardhit game..which lead to new balls :wink:

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Will 18 ever represent a safe age for boozing?



They want to raise this to 21 per latest in press. :popcorn:


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Is at least once per year a safe limit for conducting MOT tests?


Some only bother to check tyres at this point.. :banghead: Car should have touchy lovey feel und caresss by loving owner each week. :lol:


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Is a 13 amp fuse safe enough? There must be a long list of such "limits". Should any or all of them be only "ADVISORY" , and which ones? And is a limit that is ADVISORY a "real" limit, or just some words on a sign? What do you think, Big Tone?


But with a speed lolly.. we have inconsistencies on umpteen roads with the 30 mph v the 40 mph v the 50 mph. They all need a re-jug und set properly which does not necessarily nor at all mean LOWER as some should be HIGHER und some should be LOWER than current. :popcorn:

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So, without constraints, all road users are affected by the urge some drivers feel to drive at their maximum capacity, creating racers out of everyone - car makers play on that tremendously, by the way. So, also for obvious reasons, it is necessary to constrain these testosterone fuelled chaps until they mature enough and become more humble.


Funny, don't remember that happening when there were no speed limits! :scratchchin:




Nor in Germany or on the 90mph/100 mph stretches in Italy/Austria :cloud9:

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