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That is a very similar stance to the the one adopted by Safe Speed about speed limits. That they should reflect the speed that the majority of motorists would travel in the absence of limits.

And is very much in line with the often expressed view on these forums that government should not prevent people from behaving as they please so long as the safety of other people is not compromised

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Yes, all we need now is politicians who do not pursue some politically correct green agenda and treat all road users equally.

In this example, the argument is advanced that the cyclists would have to take a long detour if they did not use the road the "wrong" way. Of course, the same detour applies to all road users but it was not suggested that the one way restriction should be removed for everyone.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

Apologies - I'm late to the party again and this point may have been covered.



If the road is deemed quiet, why not make it two-way for all? Could be covered by no entry signs applicable in peak time only if it is only sometimes quiet.

Indeed Roger.. That would be a solution of common sense to allow to be tw0-way when calm und fairly empty apart from the odd traveller.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2073117 ... reets.html


The comments following the Telegraph article are valid. I enjoyed "Norman" und I think the comment made by "James" spell out the concerns.


This google show up most articles on the subject . This was first introduced in 2008 as trial.


http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid ... ST+ONE+WAY



http://www.chestercyclecity.org/?p=602


In this which applaud Annecy/Chamonix .. it should be mentioned that the cyclists are also expected to obey the lolly

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It doesn't make sense though. Why should one bloke in a four litre 4x4 driving six miles to work be given more priority that 60 people in a bus, or one bloke on a pushbike?

How does a guy in a 4x4 have more PRIORITY than a bus or a pushbike?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

I'm talking transport hierarchy, not road priority i.e. where the money is spent, and how much effort is spent making life easier for which particular road group, and which road group wins if there is a road space conflict to resolve.

Weepy .. I am getting ready for a party here. I wait for carriage to take me to join my husband who ist already at the do. I had to wait for the child care to arrive.

I am at the computer in the kitchen My fave one! Mein Gott .. I wil miss this kitchen It has been family hub of family life since we marry. I keep telling myself I make frequent visit back und it only "adieu" for what I call "semesters" in the first year for me anyway .. Ted has different timetables/schedules/commitments..


Anyway .. my very personal aside und please to ignore as the "over emotional here".. I am just simply emotional just now



I will say that the chap in the 4 x 4 has the same rights to be on road as anyone else. He ist there. He has paid his dues in all taxes.. VED /VAT/DUTY/PAYE etc.


OK .. so I would choose such a car in this rural area. My own sister drive one.. She ist a country vet in really rural area. She has to drive in places which require such a car. Jazz's husband has a Range Rover in Manchester area .. because they tow caravan/cars/trailer on occasion. They also have large family und look after a maiden aunt who ist now sadly wheelchair bound und they refuse to accept what Ted und me observe as "serious dementia" in this old lady. The 4x4 required to accommodate It even have the lift for wheelchair. Most other cars cannot accommodate this.


Weepy .. I am saying you do not always know WHY one may choose such a car. I know there seriously selfish in London/south east. Most such post to PH after all I read. I now see them for what they really are. I have to admit that I now agree with BRAKE on this. I am so sorry that I defended the site now.



Jazz ist just too nice und her weight loss (which I fear border on "serious" ) ist due to this constant running around an 83 year old. She admit to me just today when I pass comment that she lose appetite as result I know she read here to mark me . hence these comments in public as I want to SHAKE HER UP! I do apologise for bringing in family personals...but I know she will read this und maybe comments to help.. I know I lost weight after Paula und Klaire arrive.. but I had nasty complications .. which hit me hard. But not the same as her problem. NO WAY does it compare. OAPs are harder than kids!

I look at your last post weepymate. I never argue with a bus or HGV. I do not argue with a saloon car if on my bicycle or motorbike (I have a rather nifty Ducati ) I have sent him to USA on a boat as one of my "cannot do withouts"

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

I find it funny to let cyclists use a one way street the wrong way and now say that motorist will be responsible if they hit a cyclist.

Take care
Dixie

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

But, and how many times does this have to be said, if the law is changed they won't be going the wrong way.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

But they will still have to exercise some common sense und there will have to be some guidelines in Highway Code .. In other word they would have to ride on the "oncoming side" of the one way street und not riding at the drivers from any direction .. which will sadly be the reality.

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

It's all done to cause as much confusion as possible.Who will be expected to give way on a narrow street when there is only enough room for a car. I can see a lot of angry people coming out of this new jumped up law. Oh! wait a minute that's what they want isn't it!. Just as they are doing with the rest of the UK roads. Order out of chaos, Oh! please help us.

Take care
Dixie

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

But, and how many times does this have to be said, this is not going to happen to ALL one way streets.

In fact, it's about 10 so far.

Clearly not all one way streets are suitable for turning into two way (for cyclists only) streets.

Please explain how you equate "treating equally" with "more priority".

Well quite, so presumably you agree that if cyclists get more leeway to do hat they like then so should motorists.

Or alternatively you think that both groups should be controlled as they are now.

But obviously you don't think cyclists should be given more leeway but motorists should be controlled as they are now, as that would, by your argument, be hypocritical. Wouldn't it?

That doesn't make sense.

We should be encouraging people to cycle/walk/train/bus to work, and discouraging people from driving to work.

This brings about the concept of a transport heiarchy.

A bus load of people should find it easier to make its way through an area than cars, which have mostly one person in (about eight out of 10 in London).

Should we? I don't accept this as a valid policy aim. It's just someone's perception of "what's good for us".

It is also typical London-centric thinking. A lot of the country is poorly served by public transport which, even if present, runs at inconvenient times. A lot of journeys are too far to walk or cycle carrying the "tools of the trade" for your work.


This is another Transport for London thing. A lot of the buses I see round here have just one or two people in making them less efficient than cars. Should they cede priority?

[tongue in cheek mode]
There is always a lot of talk on here about the "incredible dangers" faced by cyclists on the road. Should we be encouraging more people to put themselves at such risk?
[/tongue...]

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

As a start to the great social justice theme, I suggest removal of all public transport subsidy. To be replaced by a carbon tax depending upon the mileage travelled. The rail/bus companies can finance their expansion and renovation schemes by borrowing all the funds from the private sector. Rail tracks can be built by private companies and then leased from them by the rail operators.

A read of this is interesting. Generally well-thought-out, it also contains some gems:



The price of electricity for rail is also heavily subsidised.
As is the price of electricity for industry (a year ago mine was 9.8p/kwh, industry was at 6.8p/kwh)

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

So cars with multiple occupants should find it easier to make its way through an area than bicycles, which have always one person on?

Or are we back to cars being evil (again)?

I'd fully support high occupany vehicle lanes, a car with four people in is a particulary efficient way to move people, not as good as a bus, but quite good.

In London at least, and probably nationwide eight out of 10 car trips are single occupany for the entire journey though.



What do you mean "again"?

Stop being so ridiculous please, I've never said that, I OWN a car for stars sake.