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Uh? I said speeding. A speed camera doesn't 'do' dangerous it just measures speed. I'd get 3 points and a £60 fine whether I'm on a moped or in my Hummer.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I'd imagine getting a job as an HGV driver is more difficult than getting a job as a pizza delivery rider with with three points on your license.

Also, I don't think a speeding HGV driver will be getting an offer to go on a course in lieu of the points.

I confess I don’t know, but that still doesn’t change the penalty metered out. If I’m in my Aygo I’d still rather be hit by a moped than a Range Rover at any given speed, that’s if I had to get hit at all.

My point was/is a speed camera doesn't distinguish between what is more or less dangerous, but then we all know that. Or are you going to argue that next?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Hmm. A speed camera might not but the system probably does (although I gather speed cameras do work out the correct speed for the vehicle class all by themselves).

Frankly, If I'm sitting looking at a photo of a guy on a moped doing 40 in a 30 and then a guy doing 40 in a 30 in an HGV I figure the outcome and prosecution options available to the prosecution differ, but yeah, I don't know for sure. Would be interested to find out.

I see your new buzzword is “system”. The camera may not be able to measure safety at any given point but lots of them in the big system of things does?

How does that work exactly

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

No, system here includes the camera, the zones in which the camera operates, the people behind the camera and the judicial operation behind it. I.e. the system as a whole.

When you talk about "cameras" you can't just take the box on the road and discuss that in isolation, it's not like a camera takes a picture and the fine is automatically sent to the driver by the camera and you post your fine (or contention) back to the camera.

Hang on there! You tryin' to pull a fast one over me? I thought that's exactly how a NIP is served?

AFAIK people get flashed and an NIP is automatically generated and posted to the driver as identified by the registration plate. Most drivers then just take it on the chin and cough up. Not much "judicial operation" or "people" going on there. It only goes through the courts if it's excessive or challenged etc.

You’ve worn me out for now bud, I'll have to look into it further... It feels like the past thousand posts have been just me and you

Hey, you’re not concealing a button in your sword like Boris Onischenko at the Munich Games are you? (Just a joke BTW; I’m not being ‘orrible. Sometimes I just can’t help myself )

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Don't they check the evidence before sending out the NIP, I don't think it's just sent out automatically.

I don't think so, unless it's contested perhaps, but TBH I don't know because I still have a clean licence for now...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Well I haven't found much yet but one search got me here and made me laff.

"Why they spend millions of pounds on speed humps when the logical answer is to simply not spend any money on road repairs and not bother repairing pot holes?! "

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Yes you can - and should! If the means and objective of any device or system, in this case speed cameras, is to make for safer roads then of course you should question it when it fails.


Well yes, of course. But it is the 'means to an end' which is to prevent speeding at some point on a road with a complete disregard for all the other factors, many of which are far more dangerous than just the speed.

The 'system' is not regulating safety, only speed! That's what cameras do; cameras being an instrument of law, not safety! Your cameras are like a rapist using a condom. You are more interested in the condom; I am infinitely more concerned about preventing unsafe/antisocial driving!!!

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

weepej, it is possible to drive along a road "policed" by average speed cameras and exceed the speed limit by 50% and be over weight, as long as you are not exceeding the lolly limit. Not that I have ever done this

Since the introduction of cycle lanes, advanced stop lines, chicane ride throughs.


In the eyes of road traffic law a cyclist has no speed limit to exceed.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

When they installed speed tables at junctions on Whaley Lane they were the only bit of the road with a good smooth surface Cobbled sections of road are, or used to be, commonly used as traffic calming measures in villages in Northern France and Belgium

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Debateable(since it is a vehicle on a public highway) -but there's "Peddaling furiously"

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

You’re naughty; that’s out of context! You know that was in reference to speed bumps, not cycle lanes. I was referring to speed bumps and at the time you said “The cushion type is intended to give an unobstructed passage to two wheel vehicles - the minimum gap to the kerb has to be 750mm”. So you made that point in reference to speed bumps too, obviously, not cycle lanes or anything else..

(The nerve! Thinking he could get that one past me )

But as you know, a speed bump makes no difference to a cyclist; in fact I often peddle as fast as I can over them for a bit of a thrill. So they do not put them at the side of the road by the curb for the cyclists' sake. Cycle lanes are but not speed bumps!



That’s quite interesting actually because a cyclist can and have killed pedestrians yet their speed isn’t a factor for some mysterious reason like it would be for something similar like a moped.

Maybe when all cycles have number plates we will suddenly find speeding cyclists' is a factor in cycling which needs to be targeted too Kerching!

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.