ElandGone wrote:
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Slamming on the anchors on sight of a scamera und then acccelerating away to above lolly sign ist not my idea of a scamera "preventing an accident"
Nor is it mine, but I didn't say that did I? I said I had witnessed vehicles
slowing down.
If drivers are so inattentive as to not realise there is a speed camera ahead, it is not the fault of the camera it is a fault with the drivers' ability or possibly a failing in his/her vision.
I know the in-laws have photo of one behind bus shelter on A666. I have asked for photo.
I should also post up photo of my fave scam. But I won't. Why?
Because I use it with nasty spiteful intent. I admit this.
They tailgate on that road. I let them behave like
. I turn into a garage forecourt und watch with some giggles ... the flashy flashy of a scam behind a bus stop. Road there though ist URBAN. It team with people. It not then safe above the lolly. I agree with that lolly. That ist the difference Liebchen. A really skilled driver will see relevance of a lolly und agree with it
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On roads where there are many ranges of driving competence, I believe you actually do need some kind of yardstick to show the not so good among us what is considered a safe maximum speed for a given stretch of road.
OK it won't suit everyone, but limits are (despite current beliefs) not set arbitrarily there will be a reason why a 60 mph limit is downgraded to a 40 or why a 30 is now a 20. It may not be readily apparent but a reason will exist...and before everyone chips in, that reason is (I believe) NOT to catch out the motorist but to serve a safety purpose.
If the road in question has a "development which affect" - fair enough. But all too often zero change to justify.
I must ask in-laws to post up photo of roads which more than explain this. The roads are in Manchester area. They are ideal examples. Much better than any where I live.
(I live NSL area. I not have real problem with scams anyway as COAST driver und one who had a major fright in past. But that not mean I turn blind eye to fairness or justice either.
Nor does it mean I must blame most of this country's citizens for one person's misjudgement as to his healthy state. It does not mean I blame his grieving family either nor the deceased if you like. He had cardiac + stroke. He hit me at severest OTT speed. It was not very nice really. But I will never hate him und his for that.
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I live in a mainly residential area where a 20mph limit is in place where once it was 30 and to enforce it we have traffic calming humps in the road because tin signs are ignored for the most part despite their prominence.
Casual visitors to the area may not see any need to have a 20 limit and may disagree with its efficacy.
But to those who live there 24/7 365-6 a year, we do see the need and are reaping the benefit of getting a good nights sleep as we are no longer woken up at 'silly o'clock' by screeching tyres as the local chavs race each other around the block, or worse still being woken to the sound of one of them misjudging their driving ability losing it and piling headlong into a row of parked cars.
We no longer wake up the next morning to find our wing mirrors smashed by some racing lunatic who got too close either. We can actually cross the road confidently knowing that the vehicle we see approaching won't be going fast enough to mow us down before we get across. The quality of life in our area has improved noticeably since the limit was reduced...In our case lower limits are working.
Humps. But who did the speeding? Residents?
But people still accelerate und slam on anchors for these humps. If cushions - ways und means
But.. Liebchen. I would never be above 20 mph in urban/residential with parked cars or whatever. It called "reading a road".
You concentrate.. read roads. If you C O A S T - every road tell you the story of their normal conditions.
I think we must really promote our extension of OAP as in C O A S T. IG is right. He usually bang on the button. He/IanH/Stephen und von/gone/Weird Neville/TonyRec/silvermike und all BiB on PH ? Why I
them und want so many more.
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People who don't see the need for lowering a limit are normally those who would be feel the greatest amount of inconvenience at not getting to where they wanted to be 2 minutes quicker because the limit slowed them down.
Today life is lived at a breakneck pace...there are meetings to attend, customers to call on, our livelihoods may depend on 'getting there yesterday' or we may just want to whiz down to Tesco's for a bag of sugar and get home again before our coffee is cold!
We employ any means at our disposal to try and make that deadline, we don't like it if were are inconvenienced by authority wanting us to slow down...or by someone who is abiding by a posted limit. Slowing down is just not on the agenda for many who feel they are better equipped or need to go faster.
You may travel at well in excess to the posted limit on the same stretch of road quite safely (in your own opinion) day in day out without incident.
Someone else going at the same speed on that same road may just hit that nail that causes a blow-out and his car to flip over...but of course speed wasn't to blame for that...it was bad luck for him and the fact a nail was picked up in his tyres instead of yours. Someone else obeying the limit may pick up that nail and after a wrestling match of regaining control of his vehicle he gets out of the car changes the wheel and thanks whatever diety he believes in that he wasn't going any faster.
But the speed limit is still wrong because YOU traversed that road without incident.
The longer it takes for the driving populace to understand that exceeding the speed limit is not only punishable by a fine and points but on occasion by pain and anguish and yes,.. death, the more money the treasury will make from those who survive and the more business there will be for undertakers for those who don't.
Life today? fast but not quality.
Liebchen - we always say this. Quality matter mostest.
But danger always exist. We cannot let nanny legislate for every ill. Humans need to learn for themselves if they are to survive. We need the dangers to keep a survival instinct alive. We also have to adapt und not be too arrogant or complacent or afraid to admit we not "know it alls" in the face of new in car toys. These only work if we know or understand how to use them in any case - nicht?
Ist why I say "TRAINING" as norm.
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to you. You know I not agree with "jec" but I think I cause some upset to her longest time ago. I do not understand why as we agreed on most thing , really, apart from her take on speed cam. I know I do "nag" Mad Doc sometime too. Ist a female thing perhaps. 
They way too high