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It is, which is exactly my point.

There was no prosecutions for mobile telephone offences until they were...well....prosecuted. This is exactly the position in which we find CSW speeding prosecutions, as far as we (you and I) are aware. There may well have been some and there may have been some in Wilt's but reports are conflicting.

Well done malcolmw, you have worked it out.

...prosecutions have resulted from the evidence of CSW volunteers..

I guess Walter Mitty" and "Walt" are not considered abusive then.

Even though they're not as strong, they're still not desirable either.

In such robust debates, it would be best if everyone tried to refrain from personal slights.

I absolutely agree but wonder why you chose to chastise the tactic when used as an obvious retort rather than the pre-emptive and repeated use of such childish slights.
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There wasn't a choice. I'm busy at work and I don't analyse the posts of agreers with the same vigour as those of opposers – I simply missed it!
This has now been addressed.

The legal force exists, it is in statute and prosecutions have resulted from the evidence of CSW volunteers.

OK one last try at this one.

AN. Other driver, approaches a team of CSW volunteers, Mr. W. Itnessone and Mr. W. Itnesstwo at a speed of approximately 100mph in a 40mph speed limit. Both volunteers are trained in the use of a laser speed gun. Mr. W. ItnessOne measures the speed of Mr. AN. Other, the gun reads 99mph.
The two volunteers both make a note of the time, date and speed straight away as well as noting the registration mark, make, model and colour of the vehicle and they recognise the driver as Mr. AN. Other because he is well known to them. They both make a note of the name of the driver.
The speed limit is correctly signed and the Traffic Regulation Order is correctly made.

1. Does evidence exist of an offence being committed in breech of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 s89(1) and (2)?
2. Can a prosecution be brought against Mr. AN. Other for the offence of speeding?

Note 1. and 2. are specific and do not say things like "do you think there is", "to the best of your knowledge", "do you agree that the law should or should not allow" and other things to that effect.

It is my submission that this reflects the position at the front of this thread and what was originally opposed by me. Have a go and see how you get on.

Speeding is a community problem with speeding checks often revealing that many drivers exceeding the speed limit are local to the village and surrounding area.

Community Speed Watch [Be a Local Hero] is a partnership initiative operating only in Leicester, Leicestershire & Rutland using the combined efforts of the local residents and supported by the Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland Road Safety Partnership.

Community Speed Watch is a scheme to help people reduce speeding traffic though their community. The scheme enables volunteers to work within their community to raise awareness of the dangers of speeding and to help control the problem locally.

Community Speed Watch incorporates poster campaigns and a pledge system linked to direct action using radar speed guns and Vehicle Activated Signs, all under the supervision of the County Council. The use of the radar devices will not lead to prosecution – drivers will get a letter from the police instead – but will help to underline the community’s commitment to reducing speed.

Already operating successfully elsewhere in the country, the Leicestershire and Rutland scheme was initially piloted in nine communities before being made available more widely. The County Council has already received over 200 expressions of interest.

Lesley Pendleton, Leicestershire County Council lead member for Highways & Transportation said:
“The scheme forms part of an overall strategy with the police to help manage speeding throughout the County. It does give communities the opportunity to help themselves and highlight the issues that are a concern to the residents. Having taken part in a scheme myself, I have seen the positive effects the volunteers can have and would recommend other parishes or groups to make use of it.“

1. Does evidence exist of an offence being committed in breech of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 s89(1) and (2)?
2. Can a prosecution be brought against Mr. AN. Other for the offence of speeding?

... and prosecutions have resulted from the evidence of CSW volunteers.

Possibly, but not with the legislation you have quoted.
...

1. Circumstantial evidence exists.
2. No

The evidence is direct and corroborated.

Really? Have you discovered a universal flaw in the prosecutions of thousands of motorists?

On Wed Oct 06, 2010 07:31 Johnnytheboy said


I said on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 21:52

GS also originally selectively quoted me as saying "no legal force", which - in its original context - was comment on the warning letters that are sent out making no requirement on the registered keeper to incriminate the driver.