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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/5392626.stm

But he was given five penalty points and fined £150 with £2,000 costs by Wrexham magistrates.

District Judge Andrew Shaw told him the fine reflected the speed he had been travelling at Gwersyllt.

going back to Sept 13th...
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9340

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

The outcome was already a forgone conclusion, and it is obvious he has been spanked on the costs in an attempt to dissuade anybody else from questioning what they are charged with.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

so can I report this district judge to the ??? for misconduct in not obaying the mag's guidelines and case law....

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Somebody needs to do something or they'll just run rough shot over anyone who dares take a case to court anymore.

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

One would wonder whether that is the courts costs or his actual costs as that is not clear from the news report. When I lost my magistrates case my personal costs were in the region of £1500, fortunately after another £300 the case was won at Crown Court on appeal and all costs were awarded.

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Former Military Police Officer and accident investigator

what costs would he have claimed for being represented by Dr Clark if he had been found not guilty

The costs figure may be similar on the defence side. (if not more)

The principle was set in the Dove case which was an enviromental case. Lab costs in enviromental cases can be very expensive. It was decided that large cost incured could not be disproportionatly passed on to the defence case.

Imagine that you has dropped a chewing gum wrapped in paper on the street. The normal fine for this might be a £50 fiexed penalty. You had no recolection of dropping the gum and the enviromental services called in the top us expert on DNA who lives in a megabucks mansion in calafornia to spite you. ignoring local experts who would have been suficient. They sent in thier written report. Which was flawed. But they planned to fly over from the states first class to testify on a £50 chewing gum case.

This is what is happening on LTI20-20 cases.

This is what this ruling is supposed to stop.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

was the american flown in, the defendant was lucky he kept his still able to drive

I dont know about this specific case. I know one case in Devon got to £30,000, Manchester £5000?

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I understand it was "a most unjust decision", with fierce prosecution costs and it is being appealed

Mr Bentley is now assesing some of the signs evidence,

before


after


and the estate road that joins the site
looking up


and down the road (turn left into 30 target zone) note no streetlights or signs on this road (speed limit?)


fatboytim

The solicitor was interested to have the relavent part of the Magistrate's regulation on costs brought to his attention.

If I was in court as a member of the public at acase where excessive costs were handed out.

Should I shout out at the mis-carrage of justice and ask the judge to follow the mag's guidelines and caselaw. Is there any protection for whistle blowing/ public interest.

Can I get arrested. LOL What is the likly outcome?

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

£3,000 in court costs.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Anton,
BTW this 30 site has lane dividers to diagram 1004.1
fbt

I have been informed there will be an Appeal.
fatboytim

Any one who needs a full copy of the dove case should send me a pm with thier email address.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I just reveived my £3 compensation cheque from Thames Valley Police (well, actually the magistrate's court on behalf of the Police...)

Anyway, the day I attended court, I got to view a few cases where the Police were either late in providing proof, or disclosing previously undisclosed evidence, or just plain wrong, and Maidenhead Magistates court seemed quite upset about the way the Police was handling these cases. On one occasion the Police was forced to admit fault (for not providing documentation on time) in order to avoid having to readjurn a case again.

So it seems in the hands of the courts. If more courts got tough on the Police, I am sure we would see more justice. Amazingly...

I wonder if that was the reason my case was dropped. The Police was obviously hoping I would not get in fron of the magistrates!

Well, tough!

Perhaps we now need a new law ( well why not - tony is good at that ) of wasting the public's time for the police and SCP