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 Post subject: Speedalert:
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Reasons to be worried, part 3:

http://www.speedalert.org

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so sadly misguided....
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Roger wrote:
so sadly misguided....

but government funded...now that makes a change... :roll:

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SafeSpeed wrote:
Reasons to be worried, part 3:

http://www.speedalert.org


Is it wise to worry about the inevitable? I suspected this was in the offing quite a while back, and now here is a glimpse of what is in store. Cameras are the start of a process, not the end. Hopefully, they will soon be obsoleted by less intrusive but more effective hardware.

By the way, here is a ‘reason to be worried part 4’ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3864121.stm

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basingwerk wrote:
Hopefully, they will soon be obsoleted by less intrusive but more effective hardware.


Like Traffic Police... :roll:

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SafeSpeed wrote:
Reasons to be worried, part 3:

http://www.speedalert.org


It just reads to me as another example of commercial empire building.

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By the way, here is a ‘reason to be worried part 4’ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3864121.stm


Hmmm. Think I might apply for an enterprise grant to open a shop in Bedford High Street selling 'passenger dummies'.

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SafeSpeed wrote:
Reasons to be worried, part 3:

http://www.speedalert.org


Is it wise to worry about the inevitable?


Inevitable? Over my dead body.

Of course we should be worried. Feeding false safety messages to the public is already costing lives.

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r11co wrote:
Hmmm. Think I might apply for an enterprise grant to open a shop in Bedford High Street selling 'passenger dummies'.:D


I am led to believe there is already one there. They can import inflatable ones from Scandinavia for you, although you will have to shell out on more appropriate clothing if you wish to avoid police attention.

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SafeSpeed wrote:
Feeding false safety messages to the public is already costing lives.


In what way false? One of the requirements of this system is that it must give up-to-date warnings to you when you are breaking the speed limit.

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Feeding false safety messages to the public is already costing lives.


In what way false? One of the requirements of this system is that it must give up-to-date warnings to you when you are breaking the speed limit.


It gives you the impression that if you are driving within the limit you are safe when you may not be. I think we hane already done this do death.

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Feeding false safety messages to the public is already costing lives.


In what way false? One of the requirements of this system is that it must give up-to-date warnings to you when you are breaking the speed limit.


Seriously?

The critical falsehood is the implied importance of the speed limit.

Virtually every accident is preceded by an opportunity to avoid. If drivers are considering speed limit compliance during the opportunity to avoid period, then the opportunity to avoid may be missed. It follows directly that speed limit compliance can never be a primary safety consideration.

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Mind you, a system like this would bring an end to the endless confusion over exactly what the speed limit is on a given stretch of road where the existing signs are so badly sited/maintained that you really don't have any idea... wonder if the scamera partnerships, with their apparent exploitation of this confusion to catch more people out, would be happy about this :wink:

That said, I'm with Paul, Roger and Gizmo here, I don't like the implication that speed limits are the be all and end all of road safety - giving drivers a better quality of information is no bad thing, but that's all this system should be about.
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r11co wrote:
Hmmm. Think I might apply for an enterprise grant to open a shop in Bedford High Street selling 'passenger dummies'.:D

I am led to believe there is already one there. They can import inflatable ones from Scandinavia for you, although you will have to shell out on more appropriate clothing if you wish to avoid police attention.

I understand in your neck of the woods these are more popular :P

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Cynic that I am, high occupancy lanes will soon be the province of Government Ministers and their drivers and "fat cat" businessmen and their chauffeurs. They had lanes like this in the USSR.

Not quite what was intended?

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I have just had another look....

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Key principles
.The driver shall remain in control of the vehicle at all times, and is responsible for driving at a safe speed for the prevailing conditions

.Fitting and use of any system of in-vehicle speed information should be voluntary

.Driver's choice to purchase in-vehicle system

.Driver can choose to switch system on or off


Nothing to worry about I think, just window dressing. I doubt if it will ever get off the ground.

Anything with "Euro" in it will be a shambles. Lets fact it cars built for the the continent do not even have MPH on their speedos...I don't know what they do when they come over to the UK on the ferry.

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SpeedAlert Objectives
The SpeedAlert overall objectives are to harmonise the in-vehicle speed alert concept definition and to investigate the first priority issues to be addressed at the European level, such as the collection, maintenance and certification of speed limit information

More precisely this is translated in the following specific objectives:

1. Establish a common classification of speed limits in Europe relevant to speed alert system
2. Define the system and service requirements of in-vehicle speed alert system
3. Define functional specification and architecture
4. Harmonise definition of speed alert concepts
5. Identify requirement for standardisation


The word "harmonise" and "at European level"...in other words..doomed.

Lets face it, the Speedo you have in your car does not have to be working to get through an MOT. I think they have a long way to go.

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PeterE wrote:
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r11co wrote:
Hmmm. Think I might apply for an enterprise grant to open a shop in Bedford High Street selling 'passenger dummies'.:D

I am led to believe there is already one there. They can import inflatable ones from Scandinavia for you, although you will have to shell out on more appropriate clothing if you wish to avoid police attention.

I understand in your neck of the woods these are more popular :P


I don't think that would fool the police, however you dressed it up!

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basingwerk wrote:
I don't think that would fool the police, however you dressed it up!


No need...no Police.. :wink:

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I do not see the problem with reserved lanes during peak times. We have one on a major motorway leading into the city during the morning peak and it works reasonably well. Car pooling has certainly increased and the dummy option does not work. People tried them for a while but the police became very good at spotting them.

IMO this motorway still has about the same level of congestion in the single occupant lanes (no real increase in delay) but the multiple occupancy cars get into the city about 10-15 minutes faster.

Please note: on those occasions I drive to the city in peak periods I am usually alone and I’m not griping about it.

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They will have to legalise undertaking though.

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They will have to legalise undertaking though.


Not if the speed limit is lowered to match the typical speed of the HOV lane...
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