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A 30-year-old Reliant Robin - with four people on board - cutting up a police car then speeding off at 70 mph . . . in Del Boy's words "Cosmic!".

A jury - amid barely suppressed giggles - also saw the funny side this week and cleared threewheeler driver Gordon Maltby of dangerous driving.

The 1975-registered Reliant Robin - with its 47-stone load - was said to have overtaken an unmarked police car - sparks flying and front wheel rearing up in the air - and sped off into the distance along Coldham's Lane, Cambridge.

Officers in the police Ford Mondeo followed the three-wheeler - which hit speeds of 70mph, Sally Hobson, prosecuting, told the city's crown court.

But Mr Maltby's barrister, Nicola Devas, recounting anecdotes about the Reliant, preferred transport of the legendary Del Boy, told the jury: "As cars go, it's not what you would call a high performance vehicle - speed is not something you would normally associate it with. It's not an E-type Jaguar we are talking about here."

She said the two officers had over-egged the pudding about the incident and added: "The Reliant Robin is the butt of jokes.

Remember the one that asks: 'What do you call a Reliant Robin at the top of a hill - a miracle.'" One officer claimed the Reliant had overtaken them - in the face of oncoming traffic - so fast they could feel the vibration, and, pulling in at a 45 degree angle, the front wheel lifted off the ground and landed so hard they could see sparks.

The prosecution also claimed Mr Maltby had dangerously overtaken another car further along Coldham's Lane, causing a second oncoming vehicle to brake, before he turned into the Greyhound pub.

But the 45-year-old Reliant enthusiast, supported by his brother and nephew who, along with his girlfriend were passengers, told the court he overtook the Mondeo sensibly at 40 mph after it had slowed outside the Lexus garage. Mr Maltby, a cleaner at a residential care home at Waterbeach Lodge, Ely Road, Waterbeach, where he also lives, said claims that he had been driving dangerously were "rubbish" and that the vehicle was just not capable of doing 70 mph.

Graham Oakley, a former traffic policeman with Essex police, called as a vehicle expert by the defence, backed Mr Maltby's claims and describing the Reliant as "sluggish", adding: "If I had seen it at 70 mph I would have said:

'Bloody Hell.'" Although he examined the Reliant in February this year - almost two years after the alleged dangerous driving incident on June 25, 2005 - Mr Oakley maintained it was incapable of 70 mph, could not have created sparks on the road because it's made of fibreglass and could not have lifted its front wheel off the ground.

After the three-day case, a delighted Mr Maltby - who plans to drive the Reliant again once its head gasket is repaired - said the prosecution, which has taken two years to come to court, should never have been brought.

"It just didn't happen the way they described.

I've lost time and money over this," he said.


Once you get past the comedy value of it, I'd be intrested to know what the officers motivation in bringing this case was and how many others may have been sucessfully prosecuted on nothing more than their expert opinion, not having the rather handy defence of the offence being completely impossible. Will the officers now face disaplinary action?

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Will the officers now face disaplinary action?

Behave yourself!

If the defendant can be bothered to complain, then the IPCC will make the right noises before brushing it under the carpet and letting the lying bastard scum old bill carry on as usual.

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Oooh! Tricky one, this. Could it be that Mr. Maltby is in possession of one of the very rare 3-litre V6 Reliant Robins, the Robin-Scimitar?
Mr. Maltby claims to be in the process of repairing 'the head gasket', but which cylinder bank?
Another explanation could be that his Robin was mistakenly placed on the RS200 production line and was fitted with the 1800cc turbo twin-cam and three-wheel drive...

Or that the BiB involved have taken a bet with their mates to get in the news with the most ridiculous story...

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Reading between the lines here... It sounds to me like the guy driving the Robin was fairly reckless, but then the Police over-egged the cake and blew the case.

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A friend of mine once had a Reliant Robin and it was quite capable of exceeding 65 mph as long as you were not in a hurry to get there!

And when he parked it, he nosed into the kerb forwards, before straightening it up, and if the kerb was high, he often produced sparks!

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Mmmmmmh! I'll have to think very hard here. I had a MK5 2.0L Cortina, I'd say around 1984, and one day whilst driving north on the M5 (Yes, it WAS built then) proceeding at a nice steady 80 mph in the slow lane (it was possible then) :roll: When I was overtaken at speed by a: RELIANT ROBIN! ......... :yikes: My guess is between 85 / 90 mph!


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They are perfectly capable of doing more than 70! My first car was a Reliant Rebel - their first attempt at a 4-legged small car and it was pretty slow but the three wheelers were actually quite quick because they were very light (to be able to drive them on a bike licence) and only had 3/4 of the rolling resistance! After the Rebel, I had a Bond Bug for a while and that really was quite quick. I had the later 850 engine in it and it could manage pretty near the "ton".

Obviously, the "lifting the front wheel" story is utter bunkum and if it ever DID lift it, the whole car would go over as soon as the wind got under the fibreglass front - which is a huge hollow "bag", effectively. I could easily believe that it lifted a rear wheel though - been there & done that!


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On reading the story again.........

It does make you wonder what on earth was going on in the minds of the Officers concerned. Maybe it was a "newbie" being "minded" by an old lag looking for an easy first pull........ :roll:

Pity they didn't have anything better to do..........


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Reading between the lines here... It sounds to me like the guy driving the Robin was fairly reckless, but then the Police over-egged the cake and blew the case.


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Whenever any one rings my office and complains about one of my staff's driving, they always make a minor complaint implausible by exaggerating.

Example: One of my guys overtook a slow driver on a road I know well, and the complainant described him as having "virtually taken off" as he went past, despite the fact the road is practically level....


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They are perfectly capable of doing more than 70! My first car was a Reliant Rebel - their first attempt at a 4-legged small car and it was pretty slow but the three wheelers were actually quite quick because they were very light (to be able to drive them on a bike licence) and only had 3/4 of the rolling resistance! After the Rebel, I had a Bond Bug for a while and that really was quite quick. I had the later 850 engine in it and it could manage pretty near the "ton".

Obviously, the "lifting the front wheel" story is utter bunkum and if it ever DID lift it, the whole car would go over as soon as the wind got under the fibreglass front - which is a huge hollow "bag", effectively. I could easily believe that it lifted a rear wheel though - been there & done that!



Indeed. I seem to recall a time when these cars were very popular. :yikes: I feel "old" now :lol:

Perhaps they saw the rear wheel lift. Those cars are capable of 70 mph plus. Doubt if one so heavily laden could and perhaps the weight inside made it rock when the driver was accelerating hard to overtake the car.

As it reads - I rather think we'd have been having words with the driver over it and any charges (if any) brought would have been based on what had been observed and we avoid "over-egging" here as it goes all "curdly and lumpy " in court :wink:

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Digressing slightly.....Ever seen a Reliant Robin 'windmill'?
I have...at a speed of 25-30 mph the prop shaft securing bolts on the front flange sheared...the prop shaft dug into the road surface and lifted the vehicle bodily into the air where it kinda 'bucked' like a horse spun a couple of times before regaining terra-firma with a sickening THUD facing the opposite way to its original direction of travel with the prop shaft sticking from the rear of the vehicle...The driver (the only occupant) may have lost a few pounds in his shorts but was otherwise OK! :lol:


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One once rolled off the Windermere Ferry, just a few yards from shore.
It FLOATED, and the ferry gently nudged it ashore, where it was retrieved from the slipway!

There IS a Reliant Robin amphibian in existance somewhere - I remember seeing pictures of it on the Thames in a newspaper!

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Mmmmmmh! I'll have to think very hard here. I had a MK5 2.0L Cortina, I'd say around 1984, and one day whilst driving north on the M5 (Yes, it WAS built then) proceeding at a nice steady 80 mph in the slow lane (it was possible then) :roll: When I was overtaken at speed by a: RELIANT ROBIN! ......... :yikes: My guess is between 85 / 90 mph!


I swear, spit, and lick my computer screen to vow that this is TRUE!..... :)


Had the same thing happen to me in the early 90's on the M62, I was in the middle lane doing about 70 and had one pass me in the outside lane with a big Merc sat about 5ft from his back bumper.


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Reading between the lines here... It sounds to me like the guy driving the Robin was fairly reckless, but then the Police over-egged the cake and blew the case.


I daresay his driving may have been of a standard for the police to justifiably take an intrest, but their job is to report the facts with impartiality. Anything else abuses and undermines the power & trust they need to do their job.

I'm intrested, because in the past my experiences of coppers have been fairly positive, so much so that I've challenged the anti-police opinions of friends of mine (I'm well into the alternative music scene so this isn't a hard arguement to start). But my opinion of them as professional and fair people has been undermined by one or several more recent encounters. are the police as a service getting worse, or were my earlier encounters lucky? Or are the met significantly worse to deal with than other police forces? (I know they had a bit of a rep in the old days...)

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My Bond Bug floated a treat (for a while at least)! One huge advantage of 3 wheels is that as you drive out of the water (which you tend to need to do backwards as the front wheel isn't driven!), it tends to share its weight much more evenly between the two rear wheels than a four-wheeled car does. The result is great traction on loose, uneven surfaces (like river banks)! I'll try to scan the photos sometime...


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Reading between the lines here... It sounds to me like the guy driving the Robin was fairly reckless, but then the Police over-egged the cake and blew the case.


I daresay his driving may have been of a standard for the police to justifiably take an intrest, but their job is to report the facts with impartiality. Anything else abuses and undermines the power & trust they need to do their job.

I'm intrested, because in the past my experiences of coppers have been fairly positive, so much so that I've challenged the anti-police opinions of friends of mine (I'm well into the alternative music scene so this isn't a hard arguement to start). But my opinion of them as professional and fair people has been undermined by one or several more recent encounters. are the police as a service getting worse, or were my earlier encounters lucky? Or are the met significantly worse to deal with than other police forces? (I know they had a bit of a rep in the old days...)


Sigh! I hinted in another post that we all have targets imposed on us from on high :bow: (where's that "Hail to Thee smiley guy?" ). Some of these targets can undermine performance rather than enhance. :roll: Each Force will have different targets dependent on resources or hot spots to enforce as well. It does undermine the service we are supposed to provide from the public's point of view and I think we do accept this criticism over all. I do not make excuses. I initially served with the Met. Pressures on police down there are a little more "hectic£" than up here in the blissfully peaceful-ish North :wink:

I rather think the driver of this Robin gave sufficient reason for a pull, but perhaps the officer's perception became exxagerated as to what he thought or truly believed he thought he saw at the time. :popcorn:

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I have re-read the original story, and I would be prepared to say the police could have been right!

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Look at the picture and imagine FOUR people in the vehicle.
Two would have to be in the back, so it's not inconceivable that the front wheel lifted because the vehicle is so light weight, or that with the suspension compressed, sparks came from contact between chassis or the fixing brackets and the road.

Finally we know the vehicle is capable of over 70 mph, and yet a 45-year-old Reliant enthusiast couldn't manage 70 in his???
Enthusiasts usually are the sort to exceed the manufacturers expectations of a vehicle!

The vehicle expert called in (a former Essex traffic officer) TWO years after the event, maintained it was incapable of 70 mph, could not have created sparks on the road because it's made of fibreglass
Well, I could easily ensure my car was incapable of being started or do 60 mph when it was tested if I was so minded - and I am sure that goes for most of us here, and nobody expects the plastic BODYWORK to contact the road, when there is so much steel holding it together!

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There's nothing to stop someone from building quite a quick Robin that appears outwardly standard...

The 750 Car Club run a race series that was originally based around Austin 7 engined, home built, sports-racing cars. This was the "nursery" for a few very famous names, Colin Chapman raced his first Lotus in it for instance. For obvious reasons, Austin 7 engines and bits have become somewhat rare, and 25-odd years ago the 750CC cast their net round for a replacement engine - and decided upon the 650cc light-alloy Reliant lump as used in the Robin... There were several tuning and development firms selling modified bits and race-prepared engines for this series - and some of them were really quite quick. It would be no problem to bung one of these into a Robin, it'd probably be capable of 90-100mph - provided the driver had leakproof underpants. :-)

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There was an apocryphal story years ago about a young man who had a Bond Bug and who always carried a paving slab in the front passenger footwell to help balance the car when he was one-up. One day, he called round to collect his girlfriend and duly transferred the paving slab to the boot. On setting off with his girlfriend in the passenger seat, he (presumably wishing to impress her) gave it a bootfull of throttle and the car reared up aided by the paving slab in the back and was left with its nose pointing skyward...

I don't believe that one for one minute and I honestly don't think it would be possible in Robin - even with 2 heavy people sat in the back. The rear seats are pretty much directly over the axle but not behind it and the amount of torque you can get out of (even a very heavily modified) 750 Reliant engine is pretty limited to say the least! At that sort of speed, if the nose lifted at all, it wouldn't come back down once the wind got under it!

I also have to say that if it were ME on trial for the same offence, I wouldn't be going out of my way to brag about the vehicle's maximum speed either - I think I'd seek to play it down!


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I remember an incident in the early 80's I saw at the Spring Lane roundabout at the end of the Avenue of Remembrance in Colchester. We were behind a Reliant Regal Supervan, both heading for the A12 on-slip London-bound.
The Reliant entered the roundabout, indicating right and moved toward the middle - a little too far, as it turned out. The centre of the roundabout has a chamfered kerb-edge and the offside rear wheel of the van rode up this, flipping it neatly onto its side. We and the car on the inside lane put on our hazards and two of our passengers started to flag down those behind us. The scene that unfolded in front could not have been written!
The driver door was flung open, bounced shut and was flung open again amid a tirade of epithets that would have made Bernard Manning blush. Something resembling a poorly-shaven Grizzly Bear clambered out, walked round to the roof-side of the van, buried its shoulder into the roof and heaved it back onto its wheels. Returning to the driver's side, it uttered something about "...Every f***ing time..", churned the starter over until the van coughed and farted itself back into life and headed up the A12 on-slip. By the time that we had recovered enough to continue our journey, he was leaving the A12 on the Stanway off-slip, never to be seen by us again...
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