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Hi everyone.

Today when on the M6, i noticed 2 cars (coincidence both were speeding down the fast lane) without their number plates on (well, one had it on parcel shelf)... Do people actually get stopped and points on their licences for it?

Every other driver has a plate on show, and the few that dont could be getting away with speeding through gatso's.... whats they penalty for not having a number plate at all? (they didnt even attempt to make one out of cardboard as a make-do)

no doubt if they were clocked in Cumbria, all the plod would be alerted, the helicopter scrambled, all NASA satellites re tracked to get their £60 ,

a lot of the mobile vans have cameras that can be mounted on the windscreen or side window thus allowing them to identify vehicles with say no frontplate, by capturing the rear plate at a range of 200m

I think it's £30 (no points) for an obscured numberplate, but I'm not sure if it's higher for none at all.
Certainly beats £60 + 3 points, so I can see why people would do it.

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Andrew.

And does such a system gather legal evidence of offences?

Can continuity be proven between an evidential photograph that lacks identification and another photograph that provides identification?

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Dont forget that there are a few situations where it is legal to drive with no numberplate. For example a recently imported/self-built vehicle en route to or from an SVA test, so it's possible one of the cars you saw was a recently imported Japanese or American sports car.

£30 fine and NO points, which certainly beats £60 and 3 points if you get caught (now you know why motorcyclists aren't worried about having ridiculously small plates that can't be read from more than 12" away).

On the same theme, it's possible for a visiting (i.e. non U.K. registered) vehicle to be perfectly legal with no front plate. Quite a number of states in the U.S. only require a rear plate.

That's a long way to travel for a visit

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True, but it happens (servicemen here for a 6-month tour of duty etc.).

I can't think of any European countries which only use one plate, but Switzerland uses front plates which are much smaller than the rear.

Indeed it does. I had a very WTF moment on the M4 wondering what the hell a Nissan Maxima was doing on our roads (nice enough cars, but probably not worth the effort to import one), until I noticed it had California plates

Wait, you can legally have a vehicle over here with no front numberplate?
What are the limitations?

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Andrew.

It has to be a motorbike, or a car registered in a foreign country/state where the law does not require a front numberplate.

Assuming the latter, how long can you have it over here for?

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Andrew.

Legally a vehicle must be registered with the DVLA and a UK plate alocated after it's been in the country for 6 months. What seems to be unclear, however, is how the 6 months is added up. No-one seems to be able to say whether, if it is here for 5 months, then goes abroad for another 4 months, then comes back in, just how the 6 months is applied. i.e. does the counter start again at zero on the second entry or is the time cumulative. Who counts the time, anyway, as it's not officially recorded anywhere.
The DVLA certainly don't seem to know the answer to this, as I asked them some time ago. The unofficial reply was to keep it registered in the country in which it spends most of its time!

You could allways do a Noel Edmunds

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