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I was horrified by an incident the other day.
A good friend of mine has a works car.
I started to light a cig and he said,,I have to tell you by law,,you can't smoke in this car.
Hell,,,this two bikers talking to each other.
My friend is now a POLICEMAN,,,,he is policing me!! He is laying down the law to his own friend,,,about a bloody cigarette!!!

This smacks of Stalins years where he got people to grass up anyone and everyone.

For me,,this is an all time low for our so called justice system.

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and he's right.....

the company could probaby get fined for allowing it.... he could probably get the sack.

so be a good friend and dont put him in that position.





or maybe he just didnt want to be smoked out.

before this law came in i would tell people to sod off trying to light up in my car. it's disgusting and he has every right to tell you not to. more so now he could get the sack if you do light up.

bikerod, did you ask him if you could light up, or do you just light up in confined spaces without thinking of others?

Strewth.

Consideration is important.
Live and let live is important.

People are not Policemen and laws that make them so scare the hell out of me.

Never, never, NEVER confuse decent behaviour with the requirements of law. We need both, but they do not overlap much if at all.

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Paul Smith
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He has a works car.
The car must have a "no smoking" sign displayed.
HE can be fined up to £200.00 the COMPANY can be fined up to £2500.00.
Consideration is ok, but not if it's going to cost me money, and not if it can lead to me being unemployed.
And it works both ways.

Hmm, to me live and let live is NOT sparking up in somebody else's car without asking them.

Why does live and let live always seems to fall to the side of the anti-social?

I don't believe that it does.

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Paul Smith
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I think that's why the form of the new law is so scary. And why the OP is absolutely right to accuse the government of 'making his friend into a Policeman'.

When was it ever wrong to permit a commonplace activity?

If a commonplace activity is wrong, it's the doing that is wrong, not the permitting.

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Paul Smith
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Its possible bikerrod's mate simnply did want him smoking in his car but lacked the bottle to say so.
So he chose to quote the law instead, i.e. its not ME saying this mate, its the governement damn them.

We get a lot of this in my line of work.

"Yes lads I know its a pain but the BOSS says we have to do it".

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Absolutely.

Although someone who is incapable of expressing a personal preference would seem likely to lose out all over the place - and they would only have themselves to blame.

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Paul Smith
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Thats one way of putting it.
But one person expressing a personal preference is, to another, being self-righteous.
People will tut-tut and mutter their displeasure (out of earshot of the target of their ire) over a whole range of things these days, but lack the moral fibre to express their personal preference openly.
The result is that might now has right.

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Unfortunately, most smokers did not bother to ask if it was ok for them to smoke in a works car/company van/truck, even when they knew the other occupant was not a smoker. Before the ban it was commonplace to see school bus drivers smoking, now the kids will drop them in the smelly stuff.
And it is getting to be a less commonplace event as well....since many places were non-smoking before the law anyway.
It doesn't say much for the "friendship" between them that one had to invoke the law to stop his "mate" from smoking. Maybe he knew the other would ignore him if he asked him not to smoke ?

Is it really as bad as that? I honestly can't say I've seen a lot of it.

If it is we need 'assertiveness' classes in schools.

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Paul Smith
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Noisy children in pubs and youths playing personal stereos in trains and buses are two prime examples where others may well disapprove but be extremely reluctant to express it.

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That's an interesting point. I'd normally fall into the 'reluctant' category myself.

I think:

- It's a social problem. We need to build a society where people are more aware of their impact on others. Of course, in the past we had one, but it does seem to be slipping away.

- It's simply not bad enough for me to bother.

- Some people are just rude. I don't have the time or the energy to attempt to educate them. It isn't my responsibility. (But I'll travel by car to avoid them.)

- The best way to avoid yobs is to outspend them.

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Paul Smith
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I think this is just rose tinted glasses.

Try asking an older teacher.

In many ways, I wish you were right...

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Paul Smith
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As someone just a couple of years younger than Paul's age, I can confirm that the general standards of courtesy in public places have dramatically plummeted over the past 30 or 40 years.

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As someone not old enough to know what life was like 40 years ago, and barely old enough to remember what it was like 30 years ago, I can also confirm that standards have dropped quite a bit.

Then again, so have the number of people employed to look out for trouble - e.g. when I was growing up, conductors on buses and guards on trains were still the rule rather than the exception, yet these days there are barely any buses left that aren't driver-only, and even when a train is carrying a guard/revenue protection inspector/whatever they're being called this week it seems to be more common for them (at least on local rather than intercity services) to just stay cooped up in one of the cabs rather than spend time in the passenger compartments...

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