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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:42 
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Dorset Safety Camera Partnership wrote:
Reduction of Safety Camera Warning Signs

As part of its commitment to road safety, the Dorset Safety Camera Partnership (DSCP) is reducing the use of safety camera warning signs for its enforcement operations at sites where residents have concerns about speeding traffic.

By no longer placing safety camera warning signs at these sites, the DSCP aims to encourage motorists to drive within the speed limit on all roads not just where there is a mobile safety camera in operation, and increase fine revenue.


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 13:28 
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Of course, they could increase the number of signs and ditch camera operations to achieve the same effect. This would not collect any cash though.

This is flawed. The logical conclusion of this thinking is that we should remove all speed limit signs so that motorists will not know the limit and all travel at 30mph - just in case - to avoid prosecution.

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 13:30 
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I've also seen the first one near me where they are not using the yellow backing to make it visible.

On the A3 southbound near Asda at Roehampton, there is a very new camera there (not seen the shape before) and it is just all grey. There are also markers leading up to it as well as away, though no forward facing camera is there... can it now measure before the camera? I'm confused. Would a photo help?


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 14:22 
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There are also markers leading up to it as well as away, though no forward facing camera is there... can it now measure before the camera? I'm confused. Would a photo help?


Are you sure it's not one of those that they can turn round to face either way? We have a gatso near where I live on a dual carriageway and it is often turned round to monitor either direction.

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 14:37 
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What this could mean is that they have finally realised that having all the 880s dotted around Poole and Bournemouth where there are no cameras actually isn't legally allowed (ok, working from memory here ;) ) and they want to put positive spin on why they are removing them.

Or at least I hope that's what they mean.

Good riddance I say. There are so many of them they become background noise and mean nothing anyway.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 09:34 
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Ziltro wrote:
What this could mean is that they have finally realised that having all the 880s dotted around Poole and Bournemouth where there are no cameras actually isn't legally allowed (ok, working from memory here ;) ) and they want to put positive spin on why they are removing them.

Or at least I hope that's what they mean.

Good riddance I say. There are so many of them they become background noise and mean nothing anyway.


Ziltro,

I've wondered about this. There are loads of camera signs where there are no cameras, all over the UK. This doesn't happen with any other kind of road sign. What is so different about camera signs?

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:52 
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More reasons for Road Angel. I'm about to upgrade to this model -

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It's £300 (wonder if I'll get a useless free gift this time?) but I'm just not prepared to f*** about wondering if the camera signs are genuine, what the speed limit is, whether a van could be round the corner... I'm giving my old model to my brother, who now appreciates its value since getting gatsoed in Leicester within the last couple of years.

Signs warning of cameras or warning of speed checks are worthless. On the M6 going up through Cheshire somewhere, there is a big blue sign that warns of a "police speed check area". Do people actually believe that speed checks occur only in these areas, and nowhere else? :scratchchin:


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This is just so typical of Dorset SCP, from memory Dorset has around the worst accident record in the country, and despite the incompetent partnership gathering millions of pounds in fines from the tourist population, this accident figure goes up not down.

As a young lad growing up in Dorset, I remember that it was an almost weekly event that there would be a fatal accident at Picket Post on the A31. This was caused by the bizzarre situation that cars had to cross the opposing lane to head into the New Forest (I know one still exists to this day for Rufus Stone I think). 20 years ago (ish) a road safety inspection determined (unsurprisingly) that the poor junction design was causing the fatalities. The junction was re-engineered with an underpass to the forest.

I wonder how that inspection would go today, I think something like this would happen:
Inspector examines junction and reports that the design of the junction is dangerous and should be re-engineered. Councillors retire to think, but since they have spent a fortune on unnessary roundabout installations in Bournemouth, there are now no available funds. So the decision is made to recuce the speed limit to 50 mph and enforce this with cameras. That way people will still die, but at least the council gets the cash for it. Ah but what happens when the public outcry about the deaths not reducing I hear you say. Simple, in Dorset the answer is always a speed camera, so more will be installed.

Dorset is still littered with extremely badly engineered roads, these are no longer re-engineered speed cameras are installed in their place. And the roads team wonder why deaths haven't reduced!! I do despair every time I return to Dorset.


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Of course they could just use the same tactics of Staffs. My TomTom spotted this long before I did.

(Yep, been using my mob camera again)

BTW I didn't take it for maximum hiddeness, (is that a word?) I wonder what it looks like at night?

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb18 ... C00073.jpg

Maybe they put it up before the lamp post was erected and the new fast-growing genetically modified tree sprang up afterwards :roll:

Have used a link, instead of picture, for best clarity. (No more than 640 pixels allowed apparently)

Oh, BTW again - I went through at 30 mph so as to avoid killing children. Can you see them? Can you see anyone?

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Dixie wrote:
mmltonge wrote:
There are also markers leading up to it as well as away, though no forward facing camera is there... can it now measure before the camera? I'm confused. Would a photo help?


Are you sure it's not one of those that they can turn round to face either way? We have a gatso near where I live on a dual carriageway and it is often turned round to monitor either direction.


Yep, there is a central barrier on the road, the camera is on the left pavement covering the 2 lanes heading South. There are no lines on the Northern side of the road. There are dashed camera lines approaching and leading away from the camera. I'll try and get a photo this week at some stage


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mmltonge wrote:
I'll try and get a photo this week at some stage


Sounds like the way to go, it's difficult to comment otherwise. :)

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Knew it was an odd one. It's now been reported on on PistonHeads

http://www.pistonheads.com/speed/defaul ... ryId=18076


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