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Waaay over the speed limit. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. Indefensible driving.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... onths.html

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Anyone who tells you that nothing is impossible has never bathed in a saucer of water.

On the face of it, you're right.

But it's NOT TRUE !

At least, not in the way they say.

He didn't JUST get a 2 month driving ban, he was forced (should he want to drive again) to pass an EXTENDED driving test,

AND was sentenced to a further "120 hours community service".

And it was NOT a "30mph zone".

It was a DUAL CARRIAGEWAY with a TEMPORARY 30mph limit. That is TOTALLY different.

And since those facts are wrong we have to question ALL the other so-called facts.

It also says he was "racing through roadworks".

They have put forward no evidence that he was racing anyone, is this yet another LIE ?

The photo shows NO ROADWORKS, so was he doing 105mph AFTER the roadworks where the road was simply a clear, open DUAL CARRIAGEWAY ?

And given the LIE after LIE after LIE in this story, we must also question the accuracy of the reading, was he REALLY doing 105mph?


In the end this could simply be a case of a bloke going a bit fast on an open and clear Dual Carriageway,

So indefensible?

Maybe, but perhaps his driving was reasonably safe and the sentence was fair and proportionate ?

yeah? how? The road had a legal speed limit of 30mph at the time of the offence.

based on your logic, the time when the sun is not in the sky is not in fact the NIGHT, it's just that the sun is not shining during that part of the DAY, it's TOTALLY different.

racing does not necessarily mean that there was anyone else involved. Have you ever heard the term that someone's heart was racing? Or an engine was racing?

Definitions 15, 16 and 19 may be of use to you: Dictionary definition of racing

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

That does bear thinking about. If he was doing 105mph, then what speed was the white car doing? Two cars close together doing over 100?

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Anyone who tells you that nothing is impossible has never bathed in a saucer of water.

I always think, Handy, that it's best to stop once you reach the bottom of the barrel!

But, to continue in the same vein, I guess that the word "racing" could also mean "going very slowly" - in some paralell universe!

It's a Laguna not a Megane

I tend to agree - there's no apparent roadworks on his side of the road and the white rover (?) is too close for him to have undertaken and got back out again if it was only doing 30mph.

The headline that this was a '30mph zone' conjurs an image of an urban setting in which it WOULD be totally obscene to do 105mph, but on a D/C with no apparent restrictions I really don't see the problem.

Of course, we only have a limited field of view, so the above is based on speculation. He MIGHT be entering a section of roadworks for all we know.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

How about 89mph over the limit being totally indefensible then?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shro ... 559173.stm

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I'm nowhere near the bottom of the barrel, as you would know if you had a better command of the English language. Buy a dictionary, or borrow one from one of your more intelligent friends ... if you have any that is ... and look up the VALID meanings of the word racing.

Although perhaps at your end of the barrel, all of the little ball bearings in a bearing race are actually trying to go faster than each other.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Tut tut handy

Special offer - Today only! Buy one ad hominem get one free!

You only mentioned this to me the other day too.

FYI It can mean both. Try #15

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racing

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Technically ... as an expert in the English language, I'm sure you would agree ... there was no ad hominem there. There was a statement of fact ("if you had a better command of the English language") which was evidenced by Mr. Mole's disbelief that the word "racing" could apply to anything but a competition, and there was a question ("borrow one from one of your more intelligent friends ... if you have any"); there is a chance that Mr. Mole is the most intelligent person he knows, hence he would not have any more intelligent friends. Neither of these statements are directly disparaging, hence no Ad hominem.

Ahhh, I always knew that Readers Digest "It Pays To Improve Your Word Power" would come in useful one day.

Anyway, moving on:



Gosh, that sounds familiar. Where have I read that before? Oh yes, I recall,

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Did I miss something?

"to run, move, go swiftly”

Now correct me if I’m wrong but you would say that about 30mph as well as 100 wouldn’t you? I think I'm sure you keep arguing such?

So then - you ‘race’ along a 30mph, you maniac!

BTW I used to do very well from said Readers Digest too.

BTW2 Are you aware you often start a sentence with "And" or often don't capitalise that which should be capitalised?

Edit to add:

Personally I don’t care, the message and the person is more important to me. But when someone comes across as learned and well read as you purport to be, I would have expected you to know some basics like starting a sentence with a capital for instance.

So maybe some of your more intelligent friends can help you with this and other glaring mistakes?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

30 could quite easily be a "racy" speed, in certain circumstances, but I don't think I have been guilty of saying anything of the sort, certainly not "keep" arguing? I tend to steer clear from mentioning specific speeds, except perhaps for my position on motorway speed limits being too low? I favour variable limits in general.

Perhaps it is a shame that the Readers Digest method is not adopted in schools. I despair whenever I read a forum posting containing that spawn of all things evil, "txt spk". The SafeSpeed forums has, in my opinion, a generally very high standard of written language. There are occasional posts featuring "txt spk", but they are the exception rather than the norm.

And as for the second point (Did you see what I did there? Started a sentence with a conjuction?) I've got the view that if it's good enough for H. G. Wells and William Blake it should be good enough for me. As for the capitalisation ... mea culpa, in my haste to get my thoughts down I sometimes mistype a capital ... I've even done it in your name once, for which I apologise profusely.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Okay then! Can we please kiss and make up now? I've got to suffer Sex and the City with my sister later. (Not actually with her you understand)

And we're drifting off topic.

Said I'd go with her

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

it strikes me we're not really interested in the semantics of the english language here but of the law.... 'racing on the public highway' is a legalese term that sprang to mind.. a quick google picks up the following as examples of danerous driving:

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_b.html#34



this is still ambiguous however since although it implies competition against another vehicle/driver i'd include in that time trials or timed runs/laps.... in both cases you wouldn't expect to see any other vehicles in the frame.

I suspect you are correct, except for the fact that none of the convictions mention the word racing; it's only mentioned in the caption to a photograph. Journalistic use of language is a lot less precise than legal use.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Someone slap me with a wet fish and call me Susan!

I favour variable limits too! In fact - I use them all the time!

Variable limits vary to suit the condtions and that my friend is exactly what Safe Speed is arguing.

Thank you Andy and welcome aboard at last. What were we arguing about for so long? Can I buy you a drink?

Right, must go. All this scratchin' is making me itch...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

No it's not, you have the wrong impression of the "campaign". Paul was quite vehement in his dislike for variable limits. If I could be bothered, I would find his response which went along the lines of "a limit suitable for a Porsche would not be suitable for a truck". Or was it a duck? His argument was flawed, however, as he had made the mistake of confusing (as many on here do, along with many of the "Type A" speed limit adherents) "limit" with "travelling speed".

With variable speed limits a warning message is required: "Limits may go down as well as up".

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Problem is, I wasn't there to observe the conditions present when he was allegedly 'racing' at a buck-oh-five in a thirty.

However, I do not see any construction workers in the pic, nor do I see construction works (though I may simply not recognize the latter).

Philadelphia, PA is famous for equipping an area - or leaving it so equipped - with all the road furniture of a construction zone, except the construction workers, for months. Then, despite no work of any kind being done in that zone, fines are doubled in construction zones in all of Pennsylvania. Since there is no actual construction going on, that makes it even safer for trooper's vehicles to hide and catch 'speeders' who are actually doing little more than 45 to 55MpH (they can't go any faster due to all the excess road furniture, whereas the troopers are trained to handle such chicanes, and probably see it as recreational training).

Sorry, but without more info about the area's conditions at the time of his violation, I - and apparently inly a few others - won't convict him (though I suspect him) without more evidence pertaining to the actual conditions at that place and time.

Someone said something about journalistic and legal standards (which are both apparently sliding downhill)?

It's unfortunate that 100% safety isn't possible, I suppose. On the other hand, we all know that 100% danger = collision. Where is the evidence that he accepted or caused more danger than 85% of the populace would at that place and time?

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I did????

Well, I'd be the first to admit that I might not be posessed of your dizzying intellect - or, indeed, your (self-proclaimed) expertise in the English language, but where on earth did you get that deduction from?!

Look, I'll make it easy for you...

You said:

"...racing does not necessarily mean that there was anyone else involved. Have you ever heard the term that someone's heart was racing? Or an engine was racing?"

I realise that this was purely a benvolent attempt of yours to educate us mere mortals in the different possible meanings of the word "racing" but frankly, I'm not sure there are many on here who are quite as thick as you suppose - so I added another (frivolous) definition of my own!

Still, I am indebted to you for solving a great mystery for me. I grew up near a mill race and until your sage words, I had always thought it a rather dull sport! Now, at last I realise that it never WAS supposed to involve a competition between mills!