Safe Speed Forums

Hi all,

Today, I spotted an Avon and Somerset mobile scamera targetting traffic travelling westbound on the A303 about here.

However there were no camera warning signs at all. Are camera vans allowed to operate without any warning signs?

I think so, they just (allegedly) can't net off the fines. The handbook is not a rule book, just a set of guidelines. As long as the equipment is HO approved and operated correctly, the limit is enforceable at any speed above it from anywhere, without any warning.

This is the signage rule the SCPs must adhere to if they want to net off:

Interesting.

But it really does make you wonder if they're after even more cash.

but I keep hearing that muppet of an MP Dr Stephen Ladyman sound biting

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Such enforcement vehicles will have a camera sign painted on the bonnet, the sides and rear as part of the livery which obviously will be visible and 'count' as identifying marks. In addition, Avon & Somerset never operate without either permament signs in permanent locations and deployable ones in community concern areas. You simply didn't see the signs at the time.

Netting off doesn't happen any more, hasn't done since some time in 1997. They can put them wherever they like now as they're on a fixed budget so there is supposedly no financial incentive to hide them or put them in the most profitable locations.

The 20/20 has never been approved for vehicle mounting.
Police speed camera vans do not need to be marked, the only ones who USED to need to be marked were partnership vans.
There was never any LEGAL obligation to mark anything, or have bright yellow camera housings.
Lets face it, knowing what the legal speed is on a road is hardly rocket science.....Ladymans comment, while being a shade sarcastic, was correct ?

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