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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 13:04 
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BBC online wrote:
Barriers on Berkshire's A329(M) 'may have saved life'

An inquest has heard how crash barriers on one of Berkshire's busiest roads could have saved the life of an RAF serviceman.

Paul Payne, 23, was driving along the A329(M) towards Reading when his Fiat Punto crossed the central reservation and collided with a Ford Transit van.

Mr Payne, of Chippenham, Wiltshire, died instantly in the head-on crash on 5 February.

Since the accident, crash barriers have been installed.

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The coroner recorded a verdict of accidental death and noted: "Now the road has barriers the possibility of such a tragic death is much reduced."

A senior traffic officer giving evidence at the inquest said had barriers been installed on the section of the road where the crash happened, Mr Payne's car would not have crossed the central reservation and the accident could have been avoided.

There had previously been a long-running campaign to install barriers and improve safety along the whole stretch of the A329(M).

The road is a major route between Bracknell, Wokingham and Reading and takes thousands of drivers to the M4.

Wokingham Borough Council allocated £650,000 to install the barriers but said the project had been planned to start in February and was not in response to Mr Payne's death.

Mr Payne had served in Afghanistan and in Kuwait with the RAF, and was based in North Yorkshire.

I don't want to trivialise the tragedy, but something is conspicuous by its absence...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 13:08 
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Not answering your question directly, but I'd say it's fairly certain that central reservation barriers on motorways and similar dual carriageways are one engineering intervention on the roads that undoubtedly has saved many lives over the years.

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Steve wrote:
BBC online wrote:
Barriers on Berkshire's A329(M) 'may have saved life'
An inquest has heard how crash barriers on one of Berkshire's busiest roads could have saved the life of an RAF serviceman.

I don't want to trivialise the tragedy, but something is conspicuous by its absence...

Yep amazed but delighted they have not mentioned a speed camera nor that speed must have been the error !
Good to see that they finally installed the obvious and very necessary barrier ! I wonder how such a major route failed to have one in the first place ! Of all the Health & Safety requirements I would have thought this was an obvious case.

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PeterE wrote:
Not answering your question directly, but I'd say it's fairly certain that central reservation barriers on motorways and similar dual carriageways are one engineering intervention on the roads that undoubtedly has saved many lives over the years.


But wouldn't it be better to educate drivers not to go onto the central reservation in the first place?

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I wonder if this occured on the bit of the A329(M) that had the speed limit reduced to 50?


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Wasn't the A329(M) one of the only remaining motorways without a central barrier?


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But wouldn't it be better to educate drivers not to go onto the central reservation in the first place?


Obviously! The answer to your facetious question (which I would have hoped was obvious) is that a barrier takes immediate steps to remedy an action which, if unchecked, definitely will increase the odds of a collision to unacceptable levels, whereas a camera merely documents a behaviour which has uncertain links to collision likelihood.

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RobinXe wrote:
dcbwhaley wrote:
But wouldn't it be better to educate drivers not to go onto the central reservation in the first place?


Obviously! The answer to your facetious question (which I would have hoped was obvious) is that a barrier takes immediate steps to remedy an action which, if unchecked, definitely will increase the odds of a collision to unacceptable levels, whereas a camera merely documents a behaviour which has uncertain links to collision likelihood.


In the same way that taking measures to reduce the speed of traffic will reduce the odds of some one-one being killed if a driver makes a mistake? I am puzzled as to why some measures to reduce the severity of an accident are approved of whereas it is suggested that others should be replaced by driver education.

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dcbwhaley wrote:
...if a driver makes a mistake...


My bold.

Barriers take immediate effect to prevent a mistake that is in the process of happening.

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The recent EU-wide survey on which roads were dangerous - in which many UK roads scored so badly - said crash barriers were our 'weakest link', not speed limits.


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dcbwhaley wrote:
In the same way that taking measures to reduce the speed of traffic will reduce the odds of some one-one being killed if a driver makes a mistake? I am puzzled as to why some measures to reduce the severity of an accident are approved of whereas it is suggested that others should be replaced by driver education.

Crash barriers don't have a negative impact on anyone (apart from the cost), whereas reduced speed limits do.

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[quote="dcbwhaley]
In the same way that taking measures to reduce the speed of traffic will reduce the odds of some one-one being killed if a driver makes a mistake? [/quote]

Lets look at it overall ,and let's look at it on the M( whatever you care to name it) -

Car A is travelling southbound at 70 mph .Car B is traveling north at 70 MPH - ergo ,closing speed is 140mph ,if they meet head on .
Now if there's an accident on one carriage way ,forcing a cae to cross over ,they meet at this closing speed ,viz 140 . Let's look at what happens if we can stop these two meeting -acidents are at max 70 mph . So less damage ETC .Thimk restuarants worked this out sime years ago - give the waiters two doors - then less risk of accidents . Simles -NO (apologies to the meercats)

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PeterE wrote:
Crash barriers don't have a negative impact on anyone (apart from the cost), whereas reduced speed limits do.


Thank you Peter. You always seem to be able to cut to the nub of the matter.

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I know that stretch of road quite well. The central reservation which didn't have a barrier was a grass verge which is approximately 3 metres wide at its widest, narrowing to approximately 2 metres. The problem with this is that the verge is dipped in the middle from the carriageway which results in anyone leaving the carriageway actually accelerating.

As you can see from this map. The central reservation starts south of the M4 junction and continues up to the junction at Winnersh Triangle which is at the road named Badger Way.

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I for one am relieved that the barriers have now been erected.

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