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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 09:06 
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Admiral Poll wrote:
SPEEDING 'ROUTINE FOR MAJORITY OF DRIVERS'
By Peter Woodman, Press Association Transport Correspondent
More than four in five motorists break speed limits, a survey today showed.
As many as 82% of drivers admitted to sometimes or frequently exceeding the
limit, the poll by YouGov and insurance company Admiral found.
For male drivers, the figure was as high as 86%, while 78% of women motorists
owned up to speeding.
Based on responses from 3,280 drivers, the poll also revealed:
:: Only 27% think speed cameras improve road safety;
:: Just 18% reckon more speed cameras should be installed;
:: 14% have been caught speeding in the last year;
:: 30% say the speed limit should be 20mph on residential streets;
:: 71% think the speed limit should be 80mph or higher on motorways.
People in Yorkshire were the biggest supporters of speed cameras, while those
in north-east England disliked the cameras the most.
Admiral managing director Sue Longhorn said: "I'm surprised so many motorists
admit to speeding. Our research suggests it's not just commonplace, but routine
for the vast majority of drivers. What's not surprising is the percentage that
get caught speeding with so many breaking the speed limit.
"Speeding is such an emotive issue for motorists, and one area where they feel
the Government interferes too much. Our research illustrates just how disliked
speed cameras are and how suspicious motorists are about the motives of police
forces who install them. It would seem that most people think enough is
enough."
She went on: "Many councils are introducing 20mph speed limits in more
residential areas and this is already commonplace near schools. Our research
suggests this might not be such a popular move, but in order to keep motorists
onside, maybe they should consider raising the speed limit on motorways to 80mph
when conditions are good."
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 09:44 
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Admiral Poll wrote:
SPEEDING 'ROUTINE FOR MAJORITY OF DRIVERS'
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:: 71% think the speed limit should be 80mph or higher on motorways.

It might be handy to point out that motorways have the highest rate of drivers exceeding the speed limit (54%) than any other road type, yet even with this non-compliance they are the safest roads, even with their highest speed limits (when factoring traffic exposure). So it's not surprising that drivers regularly exceed 'speed limits'; critically the extreme majority do so safely - it is wise to differentiate 'speeding' by the likes of motorway commuters from residential racers.

I guess cameras would draw more support than today's small minority if cameras weren't used to enforce needlessly low limits.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:51 
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And I would suggest that most of the 18% who didn't admit to speeding are either deceiving themselves or lying -see current signature.

Some years ago I remember reading about a test where cars had been fitted with a "black box" and people asked to drive normally over a set route. Apparently 99% of male and 97% of female drivers exceeded a speed limit at some point.

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Absolutely! the headline should have read" "Survey finds 18% of drivers deluded or dishonest"!


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Mole wrote:
Absolutely! the headline should have read" "Survey finds 18% of drivers deluded or dishonest"!

" ... or dangerous"

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 13:20 
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It also begs the question if the vast majority of drivers exceed a speed limit without incident and that it harms no one why on earth is it a criminal offence anyway??? I am sure there was an american that said that if a law was flouted by more than 5% of a population then it was unenforceable. Speeding is clearly a law that is like this.

I'd be interested to know what the figures are for drink/drug related driving amongst the same group.

I think most drivers try and comply with limits where they are sensible but when it comes down to it, isn't the safest speed basically what everyone else is doing? If everyone else is doing 60 in a 50 and you're the loan 50 mph stickler are you actually causing more of a danger by complying strictly with the law than the vast majority that are doing 60?


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Well that of course leads headlong into the 85%ile argument that clearly shows (as I know you know) :) that those drivers are the safest group. It is the slower and excessively faster road users that are the one's more likely to have an accident.

Speed is of course a factor and for many road users the speed limits have been a very good guide to judge the approximate safe speed, but with some limits now being reduce un-necessarily low it creates a dilemma for setting a safe speed. To be forced to drive slower than is necessary for the conditions leads to inattention and frustration the two main causes of accidents in the first place (well first and second places!).
PR615 The Speed Routine is our 'reply' to this. (yes I know 3 spelling errors - grrr & ooops!)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 15:29 
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Well this proves that the majority of drivers feel that speed limits are being set ridiculously low...all we need now is someone with common sense in the government and local authorities....any chance of that happening in the near future....more chance of me winning the lottery...and I don't do it!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 15:32 
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of course it would help if the people making the decisions weren't either non drivers or "part time" drivers who do it as a means to get to work only.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 15:42 
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still it's nice to know that I'm not the antisocial,dangerous moron that I thought i was. I just need to sort out my B.O., bad breath, snoring, talking too loud on buses,kleptamania etc, etc......now...;-)

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PR615The Speed Routine now gone live online with Centaur so that will reach many more locations too ! :)

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Can they really ignore that 80% of motorists feel that some speed limits are too low?....of course they can and will. (and that is just the honest ones, I wonder how many people honestly admit to things like law breaking on surveys?)

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it will be interesting to hear Brake's take on this news.

I imagine it going something along the lines of....

A spokesperson said.." Brake has always said that Britain is becoming a dangerous,lawless place and instead of spending money on new roads and road improvements, the country should be building new prisons to house the lawless upsurge" .... ;-)

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I have two motto's:
"The more laws you make, the more criminals you make"

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"Rules are for the guidance of the wise, and the obedience of fools"


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graball wrote:
it will be interesting to hear Brake's take on this news.

I imagine it going something along the lines of....

A spokesperson said.." Brake has always said that Britain is becoming a dangerous, lawless place and instead of spending money on new roads and road improvements, the country should be building new prisons to house vehicle drivers" .... ;-)


EFA.

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PeterE wrote:
And I would suggest that most of the 18% who didn't admit to speeding are either deceiving themselves or lying -see current signature.

Some years ago I remember reading about a test where cars had been fitted with a "black box" and people asked to drive normally over a set route. Apparently 99% of male and 97% of female drivers exceeded a speed limit at some point.


That very different from driving around purposfully above the speed limit.


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Well that of course leads headlong into the 85%ile argument that clearly shows (as I know you know) :) that those drivers are the safest group.



I ask again, are they safe enough?


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weepej wrote:
I ask again, are they safe enough?

How would you respond for both possible answers yes and no?

What is "safe enough"?

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graball wrote:
Well this proves that the majority of drivers feel that speed limits are being set ridiculously low...all we need now is someone with common sense in the government and local authorities....any chance of that happening in the near future....more chance of me winning the lottery...and I don't do it!



Again they might feel the limit is too low, but what do individuals know?

It's the system you've got to look at and if changing say a 30 limit to a 40 limit increases the amount of incidents then it's clearly not a good idea.


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Steve wrote:
weepej wrote:
I ask again, are they safe enough?

How would you respond for both possible answers yes and no?


I clearly think that most drivers and riders select too high a speed most of the time.

85th percentile is a silly standard IMO, we could have the worst drivers in the world with the 85th percentile drivers and riders only killing 10 people every day (each), and they'd be considered the safe drivers.


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