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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 13:21 
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Opinions split over legacy as Speed-cop Brunstrom retires
Jul 11 2009 by Darren Devine, Western Mail

Labelled the Mad Mullah of the Traffic Taliban by some, Britain’s most outspoken policeman Richard Brunstrom retired yesterday. Darren Devine assesses the legacy and impact of the man who confidently ‘ploughed his own furrow’
IN keeping with the tenor of his time in the job Richard Brunstrom retired as Chief Constable of North Wales yesterday in controversial fashion – claiming to have cut crime by almost 50%.
His critics immediately branded the claim “rubbish”, before saying that aside from expanding the use of technology Mr Brunstrom had done little or nothing to improve policing in the region.
Mr Brunstrom himself said he was looking forward to selling “everything” and going sailing with his wife.
The 54-year-old, who applied unsuccessfully to become the commissioner of the Cayman Islands, said he regretted that at times the media has focused on him rather than the topics he was trying to raise.
He said: “I feel we’ve had a very successful period and have the results to show for it, with crime down significantly by nearly 50%.”

However official figures show crime was lower in the year before Mr Brunstrom took up his position in early 2001 than now.
In 1999-2000 there were 44,477 offences compared with 46,058 in 2008-09.
North Wales Police say the two figures cannot be compared because in 2002-03 the Home Office issued new recording guidelines that saw crime rise nationwide.
But either way the figures for recorded crime nowhere show a drop of anything approaching 50%. Even when taken from their 2002-03 peak of 64,977 offences to current levels the drop is 29% – way short of Mr Brunstrom’s claim.
Asked by the Western Mail how he arrived at the near 50% figure Mr Brunstrom yesterday declined to comment.
Mike Cross, from campaign group People for Proper Policing, said: “What crime is he talking about? Knife crime, domestic abuse, rape and sexual abuse have increased dramatically.

“It’s just a load of rubbish. Petty vandalism has risen and the detection rate is down – in other words he’s cherry picking.”

But in fact the figures show the overall sanctioned detection rate (the proportion of offenders caught and punished) has improved under Mr Brunstrom from 27.4% when he took up his post to 42.5% now.
On roads policing the chief constable, who in 2007 apologised to the family of dead biker Mark Gibney after showing images of his decapitated body to a group of journalists, also claimed success.
He said: “This is a serious issue and too many people are being injured on our roads.
“Still, the figures in Britain, and locally, are the lowest they’ve been since the 1920s. That’s success any which way you look at it, but there’s still more to do.”
Here Mr Brunstrom’s claims seem to be borne out by the figures – North Wales’ road deaths have fallen from a high of 60 in 2000 to 40 in 2008, which works out as a reduction of a third, in under 10 years.

However given the figures have been falling across the UK, as Mr Brunstrom acknowledges, it’s difficult to say how far the success in North Wales was due to his enthusiasm for pursuing speeding motorists.
RoadPeace spokeswoman Cynthia Barlow praised Mr Brunstrom for raising the issue’s profile and said over the past 10 years deaths in the UK have fallen from around 4,000 per year to about 2,500.
She said: “People tend to forget the issue of road deaths and we need people who are willing to stick their neck out and advocate a tougher response.
“He has given the issue a higher profile and when families are bereaved by a road crash they feel less marginalised if people are speaking openly.”
Head of Road Safety with AA Public Affairs Andrew Howard feels Mr Brunstrom’s passion for the issue has persuaded motorists to drive more carefully.
He said: “What I have to remember is that we’ve never got an AA poll on the acceptability of speed cameras to come out at less than 69%.
“If that’s the case then it may well be that he’s raised public awareness, even it has been by getting himself a pretty unhealthy press at times.”
In terms of a successor the deputy chief constable of Nottinghamshire Howard Roberts has applied for the post, while reports have also suggested the acting chief of Staffordshire Adrian Lee is also in the running.
Mr Brunstrom’s advice to his successor is: “Do your own thing. Plough your own furrow. Be your own person.”


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Good riddance to bad rubbish, if I may say so from all the way over here. Congratulations to all of you.
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In terms of a successor the deputy chief constable of Nottinghamshire Howard Roberts has applied for the post, while reports have also suggested the acting chief of Staffordshire Adrian Lee is also in the running.
What, if anything, is known of Howard Roberts, and/or Adrian Lee? What sort of track record do they have? How have they behaved in the past regarding matters of our concern?

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While not knowing anything about these two candidates, the fact is that most senior police officers are now appointed because of their "right on" PC views on diversity etc. and not because they have a good record in solving what most people would regard as crime. I would not hold out much hope for commonsense breaking out.

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http://www.nottinghamshire.police.uk/about/our_people/chief_officer_team/deputy_chief_constable/

http://www.staffordshire.police.uk/about_us/whos_who/01_cc

To be quite frank about them, neither seem to be more than icing on a small cake.

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Or some nuts in a Marathon. :D

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Staffordshire has more speed cameras than most places I know, probably more than most places in the country. All the speed limits seem to be dropping to 40/50MPH even on dual carriageways....it doesn't hold much hope for Wales.

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Staffordshire has more speed cameras than most places I know, probably more than most places in the country. All the speed limits seem to be dropping to 40/50MPH even on dual carriageways....it doesn't hold much hope for Wales.


Well, it does if you're interested in reducing the number of crashes and the severity of crashes.


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Do you have any evidence to suggest that has been the case though? Has north Wales seen a bigger drop in the "number and severity of crashes" than other places during his reign?


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Well, it does if you're interested in reducing the number of crashes and the severity of crashes.






Ho Ho Ho Ho...best joke , I've heard all week....;-)

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Mole wrote:
Do you have any evidence to suggest that has been the case though?


Do you have any evidence to suggest it isn't? ;)


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So it's come to answering difficult questions with questions, eh, weeps?


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So it's come to answering difficult questions with questions, eh, weeps?


I'm not proud.

Where's the evidence that reducing limits from NSL to 50 is causing more crashes?


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So it's come to answering difficult questions with questions, eh, weeps?


I'm not proud.

Where's the evidence that reducing limits from NSL to 50 is causing more crashes?
You ought to be concerned that any policy or law is based on proper research before it is introduced. As ever more drivers with a long safe driving record become targeted for minor infractions you may do well to remember there is no greater recruiting seargent than the sense of injustice.

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You ought to be concerned that any policy or law is based on proper research before it is introduced.



Was the current NSL limit being 60 based on proper research?


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The current NSL of 60MPH on single carriage ways was only introduced mid seventies, it was 50MPH for a year or two while we had a "fuel crisis" when even the motorways were 50MPH ...(to save fuel). The then Labour Government returned the motorways and duals to 70MPH but in their infinite wisdom decided to keep singles as 60MPH...no idea why.

BUT as you, Weepej, have pointed out before, deaths were more plentiful then. Mainly due to no one wearing seat belts, no one having airbags, disc brakes on many cars (servos even) etc, etc, etc, etc.

Cars have become ten times safer now and in the days of 70MPH single carriageways, the majority travelled at 65-70MPH. You still got the occasional 45MPH crawler (mainly old people) but no where near as many as now.

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Big Tone wrote:
You ought to be concerned that any policy or law is based on proper research before it is introduced.



Was the current NSL limit being 60 based on proper research?


I'd be interested to know if _any_ blanket speed limit has been introduced on the basis of "proper" research rather than just politics. Historically they usually follow a spate of well-reported accidents, then a cry of "something must be done".


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graball is spot-on! When you think back to how relatively crude cars were in the 70s, and before, with the advances in road design and car safety we should be able to go faster and safer. So let me put this to you weepej...

We do have safer cars - fact! We do have safer roads - fact! But we still have a human at the wheel, from which spring mistakes, and we have pedestrians whom treat roads as an extension of the pavement.

This is why I personally place the emphasis on education, training and restriction of really dangerous drivers and pedestrians. Slowing everything down is not addressing the cause! You are blaming the fire instead of the pyromaniac weepej!

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Good riddance to bad rubbish, if I may say so from all the way over here. Congratulations to all of you.


He's a cop who's hit the retirement age.

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In terms of a successor the deputy chief constable of Nottinghamshire Howard Roberts has applied for the post, while reports have also suggested the acting chief of Staffordshire Adrian Lee is also in the running.
What, if anything, is known of Howard Roberts, and/or Adrian Lee? What sort of track record do they have? How have they behaved in the past regarding matters of our concern?


Dunno, but they are English, so I'm against both of them. There's plenty of good coppers in Wales, and we don't want foreign cops
taking the top jobs. Welsh jobs for Welsh workers, I say.


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...they are English, so I'm against both of them. There's plenty of good coppers in Wales, and we don't want foreign cops
taking the top jobs. Welsh jobs for Welsh workers, I say.

Interesting and very telling I think. IMO what you have said is racist Abercrombie.

I have had the pleasure of working with people from all over the world, (still do), and if there's one thing which is of paramount importance in my experience it is that the best and most capable person is appointed to any and every vacancy reagrdless of creed, colour, gender or age.

Would you have a problem with a black Prime Minister I wonder? I wouldn't, although I would if he or she wasn't the right person for the job. I would also like to think I could say as much without being branded racist which is difficult these days sadly.

I have worked with Welsh people in England and have Welsh friends. In fact I was at The Ponderosa Cafe just a few weekends back with folk from all over the UK. Two Welsh guys at the front led us around some beautiful biker roads and we all had a great time.

If you came to England, for work or any other reason, I'd like to think you would be welcome with open arms.

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If you came to England, for work or any other reason, I'd like to think you would be welcome with open arms.


He probably would be.
Not so if he is English looking for a job in England.

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