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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 14:51 
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I thought this was interesting, nice to see the police actually admitting that sometimes speed isn't a factor in accidents...

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POLICE have slammed a decision to cut the 50mph limit on the A40 at Holtspur – and said speed is not always to blame for smashes.

Thames Valley Police said it “objects strongly” to the move to slash the road approaching Beaconsfield to 40mph – and warned it would be ignored and put a burden on officers.

Council road bosses acknowledged this – and said drivers must be “encouraged” to obey the new limit.

Its official response to the plans, the force says: “Many of the collisions have significant causation factors other than simply speed.”

And they said the road “is a strategic road linking High Wycombe and Beaconsfield and [a] major diversionary route for the M40”.

They added: “Visual aspect of road is an open road more fitting of a national speed limit than 40mph.”

The force said the crash rate data and Government guidance supports keeping 50mph. It should be cut only if there was a high number of bends and junctions, officers said.

The force’s official response said: “There are a number of junctions with housing estates but no ‘substantial development’.”

It also warned Buckinghamshire County Council to expect “a high level of non-compliance and will only work when being enforced”.

This would place an “unacceptable burden of enforcement on Thames Valley Police”.

A council report admits the police have “limited resources” to catch speeders and there are “strict restrictions” on putting in speed cameras.

Instead drivers will “need to be encouraged to keep within speed limits” with speed limit signs, flashing “reminder” signs and through residents reporting breaches, it said.

County transport boss Valerie Letheren this week backed the cut, part of a review of all speed limits in Bucks.

She told Bucks Free Press: "The police are very apprehensive about putting in speed liimits that they worry they can't enforce.

"This is in response to a lot of local residents' concerns."

It will be in force by the end of March at a cost of £6,000 to £10,000.

The long-mooted plan split those who responded to a public consultation with 20 in support and 19 against.

One said the change was “essential for safety, fuel consumption and most of all the environment”.

It said: “The people opposing these limits are mostly motorists passing through.”

A council report said: “Because there was no clear majority view in the consultation responses it was felt that the views of the local community should be given particular consideration and that a 40mph speed limit be introduced as advertised.”

The council said it would monitor speeds and crash data to see “whether further speed limit changes should be considered”.

The new speed limit will begin just before the junction of Wooburn Green Lane to the existing 30mph limit at Beaconsfield.


http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/archive ... limit_cut/


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 15:10 
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One said the change was “essential for safety, fuel consumption and most of all the environment”.

I didn't know cars were more fuel efficient at 40 instead of 50 :roll:

It seems much of that road needn't be 40 (although some of it could be). Look how wide much of it is, easily enough for a central reservation.


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The council said it would monitor speeds and crash data to see “whether further speed limit changes should be considered”.

They'll probably try to capitalise on the effects of traffic displacement. Perhaps the locals that were in support of the cut are simply NIMBYs

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 17:14 
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We have a similar one near us, a "village" called Norton, recently cut to 40MPH and now thay want 30MPH saying it will help the environment etc. The police aren't happy about it and it has only approx 7 houses fronting the main road although the council insist there are in excess of 20, the mean speeds are about 40MPh so no real reason for a 30MPH limit but they say that if people don't accept the 30MPH limit they will introduce further measures to bring the speeds down and all this on a major A road.....

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In fact here are some of the "highlights" that I have received back from the Council, to my objections......


the letter that I have had back from the Shropshire Council says.....(bits in quotations are direct from their letter)

The mean speeds are are 41 and 42.9MPH in the proposed 30MPH area (well over the limit for a 30MPH limit and questionable whether there should even be a 40MPH limit).
West Mercia Constabulary DON'T support the scheme unless there are additional traffic calming measures.The police have also noted..."the 30MPH restrictions that are proposed do not comply with Department for Transport Guidelines, as the current recorded mean speeds at the southern end of the proposed 30MPH limit indicate that 40MPH is the CORRECT speed limit for this section of the A442"

"The police state that they cannot support the proposal without the commitment to include adequate and appropriate traffic calming and engineering measures that will influence travelled speeds at all times"

The council seem to be saying that..."it is understood that there are in excess of 20 houses with accesses off the A442"...although google maps must have missed these camoflagued houses because I can only count 7.

This bit makes me laugh....."following implementation, speed measurements should be taken approx 1 month later and if the posted limits have had no reduction in average speed through the village(s?), additional low cost measures comprising 4.5metre long carriageway roundels should be laid adjacent to the upright repeater signs"....as if that will make much difference!

So my money is on the bet that the 30MPH limit will go ahead despite none of it following Dept for Transport Guidelines and the Police disagreeing with it.

It just goes to show....

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