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There has been some media coverage of this but I feel it needs a collated thread.
There press Government approval ...
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2009-02-02 10:40:00
SPECS3 Breakthrough
SPECS3 has been recommended for Home Office Type Approval.
SPECS3 is the new generation of the highly successful SPECS average speed enforcement system. Based on the experience gained from over 200 permanent and temporary installations, SPECS3 brings the latest technological developments to the time over distance concept, offering even greater benefits to those trying to ensure traffic safety, whilst reducing congestion, emissions and achieving extremely high compliance rates.
SPECS3, the first distributed average speed enforcement system, has now successfully completed the technical testing phase for Home Office Type Approval (HOTA). It has been recommended for full HOTA by the Roads Policing Enforcement Technology (RPET) committee and is expected to be fully enforceable once the formalities of the legal agreements are in place and the Home Office have signed the approval certificate.
This means that local and highway authorities can now progress the development of real, roadside enforcement solutions as the design principles and accuracy of the SPECS3 solution have been verified by the RPET committee. This is a significant breakthrough, following several years of development and testing. By applying the benefits of SPECS to a distributed network of cameras, casualties, collisions, congestion and emissions can be controlled in a way never possible before.
Each SPECS3 camera acts as a network node, allowing cameras to communicate back to a remote central Instation. This approach allows considerably greater flexibility and a lower cost than the previous generation.
SPECS3 key features include:
• Every camera can be an entry or an exit camera
• High quality offence images, night or day
• All offence data is collected remotely (ADSL, 3G, ISDN, WAN, LAN)
• Journeys can be calculated between any valid cameras
• Forward or rear facing links can be configured
• Any lane entry to any lane exit can be monitored
• Enforcement links can be from 250m to 20km+
• SPECS3 can be operated alongside existing SPECS equipment
SPECS3 has been developed by Speed Check Services, the global leaders in the development of average speed enforcement technology. No other supplier has the wealth of specialist experience and knowledge to manage the design, installation and ongoing operation of average speed enforcement solutions.

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2009-12-07 08:44:00
SPECS3 achieves full Home Office Type Approval
SPECS3, the first distributed average speed camera system can now go live. The long wait is over and SPECS3 has received its full Home Office Type Approval. This means that the latest in average speed enforcement technology can be applied on the UK road network.

SPECS3 allows a network of cameras to measure the average speed of vehicles between camera locations, covering simple sections of road or area based networks. This delivers a far more flexible solution than earlier generations of SPECS, allowing distributed cameras to communicate with each other. Due to simplified installation and advances in technology, SPECS3 solutions are now considerably more cost effective, presenting road safety professionals and highway designers a powerful new tool that can be rapidly configured and installed.
Remote video cameras continually monitor traffic as it passes, routinely sending number plate data back to a remote central server. If a vehicle is detected as travelling above the Police threshold between two valid camera locations, images are retrieved and an offence file is created. This offence file will then be viewed by an operator, before any further action is taken.
Traffic flow through a SPECS speed control section improves considerably, resulting in a safer, smoother and more reliable journey. Vehicles can merge and diverge more easily, allowing drivers to enter or leave the carriageway without speeding up or slowing down to find a gap. The overall result is a conveyor belt type flow, with uniform speeds, little braking, larger headways, fewer collisions and reduced emissions. This delivers safer, more reliable journeys for all road users, whilst maximising throughput on roads with a high traffic volume.
It is anticipated that SPECS3 will be operated in 20mph zones, rural routes, strategic trunk roads and Managed Motorway applications. In doing so, the cameras should ensure that the roads are safe, journeys are reliable, emissions are reduced and only a very few drivers will need to be penalized, which is ultimately the mark of an effective speed management tool.
SPECS3 has been developed by Speed Check Services, the global leaders in the development of average speed enforcement technology. With over 250 delivered schemes, no other supplier has the wealth of specialist experience and knowledge to manage the design, installation and ongoing operation of average speed enforcement solutions.
Please note, Speed Check Services Limited have a new address:
430 Frimley Business Park, Frimley, Surrey GU16 7SG Tel:+44 (0) 1276 698980 Fax: +44 (0) 1276 698988 Email: info@speedcheck.co.uk

Here are some links to help you know more :
Here - SPECS3 - http://www.speedcheck.co.uk/specs.htm
http://www.speedcheck.co.uk/images/SCS_SPECS3_Brochure.pdf
SPECS3 launched
links that seem to imply the technology behind the system (do correct me if I am wrong please)
Here - http://www.northbt.com/driver/simmtronic
Here - http://itvibe.com/news/4538/ New Specs3 speed cameras you cannot fool
Here - http://www.northbt.com/products/obsys
Here - OSM v20 Simmtronic v10 Engineering Guide http://www.northbt.com/library/search?q=Simmtronic
North Interfaces - http://www.northbt.com/driver/list
[url=http://www.northbt.com/products/compass] Compass Integration Network for Co-ordinating Integrated Building Automation Systems
http://www.northbt.com/products/compass[/url]
Lighting Systems - http://www.northbt.com/driver/filter?t=Lighting&ss=1

(SPECS original overview - http://www.speedcheck.co.uk/pdf/M6%20TASCAR%20case%20study.pdf

TheNewspaper PR Monitoring SPECS
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UK Speed Cameras to Monitor Every Stretch of Road
UK government proposes speed camera network covering every A-road in the name of fighting global warming.
SPECS deployedThe UK Commission for Integrated Transport last year proposed a nationwide blanket of speed cameras as a means of fighting global warming. After a series of trials, the Home Office is now set to make this a reality by approving early next year the SPECS3 "distance over time speed measuring device" that will make it impossible to drive on any primary road in Britain without being tracked and subjected to an instant fine for exceeding the posted speed limit.
"With respect to technology, we are in a period of explosive evolution in traffic control technology," a commission report entitled Transport and Climate Change explained. "The Highways Agency already uses several technologies which are either intended to manage speed, or lend themselves to that purpose by monitoring speed and sending drivers messages about their behavior.... Reducing climate impacts of the motorway network should be a major consideration in the development of motorway control and communications technology."
The commission estimated that new SPECS3 cameras could monitor every driver on 31,136 miles of principal rural and urban roads at a cost of £443,687,656 (US $769,693,415). While the initial investment appears substantial, the commission noted that "enforcing the 70 MPH limit using SPECS would pay for itself within around two years." (View sample deployment map.)
The original SPECS systems, first approved in 1999, photographed vehicles when they entered a road, communicating the time of entry via a fiber optic link to a second camera positioned, say, two miles distant. After the second camera had identified the passing vehicle, the amount of time it took the car to pass between the two points was converted into an average speed. The system's limitations included an inability to ticket cars that changed lanes in between camera locations and a purchase price of £800,000 (US $1.4 million) to deploy over a distance of just a mile and a quarter.
SPECS3 solves those limitations. It uses an ISDN connection to transmit data between any two cameras in the entire network, as well as the police headquarters, without the need for the expensive dedicated connection. This configuration slashes deployment cost over the same distance to just £67,000 (US $116,000). The system can also track drivers not only as they change lanes, but as they switch between different roads and highways. Pilot projects are already underway in Camden, Surrey and Northern Ireland where road trials began in April. Once established nationwide, records on all vehicle movements will be stored for five years in a central government Automated Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) server, allowing police to keep tabs on criminals and political opponents. Work on the data center in north London began in 2005 and officials expect real-time, nationwide tracking capability to be available by January.
The original SPECS cameras were found to be quite successful. Between 2000 and 2005, a single camera in Nottinghamshire generated 76,000 tickets worth £4.2 million (US $7.2 million). London's entire SPECS network generated as many citations in just three weeks. London camera officials did admit, however, that 5600 tickets were sent to motorists who were completely innocent.

SPECS 3 also to be installed in Cambridgeshire Here

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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Yay!

Looking forward to this being installed in my neighbourhood and having the speed jumps ripped up so I can pootle along at 10 - 15 -20 mph and not have to worry about the suspension on my car, meanwhile those tearing around can be logged tracked down and prosecuted.


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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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... meanwhile those tearing around can be logged tracked down and prosecuted.

If their vehicle has a VRM, a VRM which isn't cloned or tampered with, and the registration details are correct.

I can foresee people who are criminally minded enough such that they are determined to 'tear around', to not bother with all that palarva!

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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From the last quote:

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allowing police to keep tabs on criminals and political opponents.


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Some interesting claims in there.

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The commission estimated that new SPECS3 cameras could monitor every driver on 31,136 miles of principal rural and urban roads at a cost of £443,687,656. While the initial investment appears substantial, the commission noted that "enforcing the 70 MPH limit using SPECS would pay for itself within around two years...

Apart from the ludicrous accuracy of the cost estimate, why do they think it will pay for itself in 2 years if it is so efficient at deterring speeding?

Does the Government have this kind of money to spare at the moment?

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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I didn't register this earlier.

weepej wrote:
Looking forward to this being installed in my neighbourhood and having the speed jumps ripped up so I can pootle along at 10 - 15 -20 mph and not have to worry about the suspension on my car,


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While the initial investment appears substantial, the commission noted that "enforcing the 70 MPH limit using SPECS would pay for itself within around two years...


There are complaints about speeding - in residential areas; the response is to put the cameras - on motorways and DCs!
Same old 'same old' :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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yep in the name of ..."road safety"...let's put it on the errr, safest roads?....maybe they could just be the ,err, most profitable?.....shucks, no, it's NOT about money!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: SPECS3
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... Looking forward to this being installed in my neighbourhood and having the speed jumps ripped up so I can pootle along at 10 - 15 -20 mph and not have to worry about the suspension on my car, meanwhile those tearing around can be logged tracked down and prosecuted.

Had you not heard about this ? ! I do agree that taking up speed bumps or jumps as you refer to them as is better for road safety as the damage done not only to suspension and to tyre wear (often un-noticed) is dangerous.
However then having new sets of problems like people having to driver about for fear of going a little too quickly will make them crawl along or those that know they are to stop prior to the next camera will ignore it anyway, then some will either stop somewhere before the exit or next camera or drive about waiting to exit. Sat Navs are already beginning to help people estimate the time windows but most cannot afford them so it will be some time before that is in. Then there maybe new rat runs that might not have an exit speed camera so they will attract many new people.
The cost of deliveries will go up as less 'drops' will be made along with all costs to those area going up plus the cost of tickets will be pushed unto other customers too.
Be careful for what you wish for. Nothing is ever a rosey as it might first appear.
And then the biggest problem and sad truth is all is that it will do nothing to improve anyone's driving. Gaps will be less not more, as road users bunch up waiting for the most puzzled road user to work out if they are 'in or out' of time. People will possible be lulled into a falsle sense of security and children may tragically and highly dangerously encouraged to use the road as a playground.
You see the Ashton MacKay graph clearly shows us that road deaths occur from nearly every speed. Just driving slow does not suddenly make it safer.
Drivers paying attention, observing, anticipating and driving to conditions make it safer. This doesn't even teach this is just says you will be nicked if you go over the 24mph allowance at any point.
When people worry that they have gone over the allowable limit they may drive about at ridiculously slow speeds, slow driving for the sake of it will send people to sleep and pay less attention, leading to a greater chance of accidents. People will worry about cameras up on poles, so they are no longer looking at the road but up at the cameras as this become their primary focus.
It is highly dangerous and will lead to many more inattention accidents as Portsmouth showed and increase of 5% of SI accidents. It is over regulation and disproportional to the apparent 'crime' and as, has already been clearly stated will not stop and never stop those that continue to go unabated.

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There will be a psychological backlash to this too. Road users will show displeasure on this system too. I can imagine there might be short bursts of speed mixed with extremely slow sections, or jumping in and out of each others cars, so parking will become even more of a concern.
I suppose you could have one car for within the area and one outside the area !

I guess there is a chance that cyclists will soon be registered and then sent NIPs for speeding too when they realise just how much more money is sitting there waiting to be taken ! ;)

A sad day for road safety - this is no way to educate or show good road safety practices.

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Don't you think it's primary purpose is tracking people rather than speed policing?

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I cannot truly tell what they are thinking without getting much more FOI requests in and asking directly but when I see phrases like :
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allowing police to keep tabs on criminals and political opponents
they would appear to be tracking and enforcing ... am I a political opponent ? What specifications does one have to meet to be on 'that' list ! Shudder to think frankly !
Anyone that has signed an online 10 Downing Street Petition ? Who knows it is SO far reaching probably anyone they care to watch.
Still I have nothing to hide but that does not mean I want them snooping and watching or have the right to do so either.

The dft doc wants them to introduce ISA which is even more of a worry on many further levels to the above. I gather Galileo is not 'fit' yet but it is terribly disturbing, couple this with from the Lisbon Treaty a Police force that can now do what it wants when it wants how it wants and most troubling of all is answerable to NO-ONE ! Who in their right mind would sign up to that I cannot imagine. As someone else said even the KGB has to answer to authorities. They want to have the UK as part of the EuroStates, which I am not in favour of one tiny little bit. We all traded perfectly OK before all this EU non-sense, and apart from massive bills and costs has anyone actually got anything out of it whatsoever. :(
Bit off topic ... sry all.

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Don't you think it's primary purpose is tracking people rather than speed policing?

I think making a profitable return on £443,687,656 is the primary purpose; the tracking (not necessarily of political opponents) would be seen as a bonus.

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bit late :wink:
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Sorry to have missed the initial discussion. This here seems to show only recent 'Full' Home Office Approval 7th Dec 09, I suppose it needed a trial time period to 'prove' itself to the Home Office. Perhaps that explains the time gap, or ironing out errors.

Their current list of Installations Specs and Specs3 (I believe) - I did not have much luck in all their links to work ... ! e.g. Cambridgshire where one is to be installed. Bearing in mind the Cambridgeshire Police state that 70% of drivers speed -(here) where are ALL the accidents then?

I also think that the mental requirement to ensure that you never go over a specific speed and the need to ensure accuracy when the road conditions may present may variations of required behaviours is distracting and mentally tiring. All one defaults to doing is to drive even slower so that you ensure a correct average. Those that may have gadgets to show the precise method will simply wait behind those that do not, or those that have gone a bit too quick and are diving even slower. Minds when 'tired' get ever more distracted and attention levels drop. Driving at an approximate speed is not good enough when you have cameras about that require a precise accurate level.
Whilst local people may become used to this new style of driving (many will go (as they do now in many average camera enforced areas) as fast as they are allowed than appropriate to conditions), newcomers to the area/s may be far less familiar with this style of driving, so the flow will be disrupted, and continue to cause frustration as everyone jostles to find a progressive balance.
People will make driving / riding mistakes and this will increase accidents ... all for a 3% 'speed' issue. And there is no allowance that there

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Hmm, not sure about this. Since the SPECS cameras monitoring the A1 upgrade in N Yorks have been installed, the congestion has got considerable worse. This is especially noticable when joining this section at any point. Now, due to the power of speed cameras, the traffic is regularly bunched up and everyone seems so intent on maintaining the correct speed that the ususal pattern of brief accelleration and moving to the outside lane to allow traffic to merge in turn is all but abandoned. In my view at least, joining this section of road is now far more dangerous than before in terms of joining. It has been dangerous in the past, with several very serious accidents. However, the reduction in these in recent months is surely down to the closure of the majority of gaps and junctions rather than the reduced speed limit. A fact which will be ignored, I'm sure. come the release of official figures.


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It is anticipated that SPECS3 will be operated in 20mph zones, rural routes, strategic trunk roads and Managed Motorway applications. In doing so, the cameras should ensure that the roads are safe, journeys are reliable, **** emissions are reduced **** and only a very few drivers will need to be penalized, which is ultimately the mark of an effective speed management tool.


I very much doubt that a 20 limit is going to have reduced emissions.

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Indeed - I would think taking a lot longer in some instances to traverse the section will increase journey times no end. The if some think that they are over the speed they will drive about within the zone waiting to an approximate time (probably way over) to leave.
As drivers are becoming less skilled, this and many other problems will start to arise, like inattention and frustration leading to many more SI incidents, then that will lead to road blockages and so cars will have to go alternate possibly longer routes. As more cars will have less chance of 'flowing' more cars are likely to be in the queue, and so greater numbers of vehicles involved in incidents and more delayed too.
I suppose if you bought two cars you could have one inside and one outside the 'zone' ! Perhaps some of those car pool car businesses will thrive inside the zones !
Another article on the Cambridgshire S3 section - here.

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http://www.dft.gov.uk/adobepdf/165240/244921/244924/1200_Urban_street_activity_1.pdf

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I can see the need for a sat nav that displays your average speed between button pushes and a rolling 1/3/5/10/50 miles.

And the james bond rolling number plates, more like a fruit machine producing multipler combinations.

If all cameras were atached to a network database and reported the last reading, look up the previous reading then calculated the route and worked out the speed.

concider that the rac route computer struggles to compute the route in 30 seconds. most computer users use that 10? times a year. I may pass through 10 cameras a day on a short trip. Others might pass a thousand in a day or more.

such a computer network would need to be a massive number cruncher. how would it cope with cloned plates? mis reads?

If there was a map error, a road that had been streightened, or an un connected road on the computor map network thousands would br wrongly prosicuted. (the system would route you via a longer route than you actually drove)

every camera would have to be on the correct time. Even our clock that receiveds the radio time signal occasionaly goes wrong.
Also the cameras own location must be accurate or more specificly the location of the car it is reading.

It is a foundation principle of british law that you should not be automaticly prosicuted for every offence. This statement preceeds the cps code. This seams in direct contrevention of that principle.

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I can see the need for a sat nav that displays your average speed between button pushes and a rolling 1/3/5/10/50 miles.

And the james bond rolling number plates, more like a fruit machine producing multipler combinations.

If all cameras were atached to a network database and reported the last reading, look up the previous reading then calculated the route and worked out the speed.

concider that the rac route computer struggles to compute the route in 30 seconds. most computer users use that 10? times a year. I may pass through 10 cameras a day on a short trip. Others might pass a thousand in a day or more.

such a computer network would need to be a massive number cruncher. how would it cope with cloned plates? mis reads?

If there was a map error, a road that had been streightened, or an un connected road on the computor map network thousands would br wrongly prosicuted. (the system would route you via a longer route than you actually drove)

every camera would have to be on the correct time. Even our clock that receiveds the radio time signal occasionaly goes wrong.
Also the cameras own location must be accurate or more specificly the location of the car it is reading.

It is a foundation principle of british law that you should not be automaticly prosicuted for every offence. This statement preceeds the cps code. This seams in direct contrevention of that principle
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goodness me! now I just bet the chaps at HOSDB never thought about all of that. I must let them know. :roll:


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