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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 02:22 
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3,250 drivers caught in Dorset's No Excuse campaign
1:00pm Saturday 27th March 2010
By Martin Lea »

A TOTAL of 3,250 drivers have been caught in the first two months of a hard-hitting safety campaign to reduce serious accidents on Dorset’s roads.
It works out to 50 people a day on average driving badly or dangerously.
Dorset County Council disclosed the figures as the No Excuse campaign entered its third month of operation.
And it also revealed details of some of the offences which have come to light.
Earlier this month the Echo revealed how police were amazed to find a driver had been at the wheel of a car in Weymouth with the bonnet up.
Other people caught over the last few weeks include a man spotted holding a map in one hand while using the other to drive, a man not wearing a seatbelt and using a mobile phone at the wheel of his Ferrari and a man eating a sandwich at the wheel.
Police also seized a moped from a youngster who had come to their attention for the second time.
Hundreds of drivers have been caught using mobile phones while driving and not wearing seatbelts.
More than 2,000 have been reported for speeding.
Many drivers receive on-the-spot fines for their behaviour but could end up going to court if the offence is particularly serious, such as drink driving.

In certain cases drivers are offered the chance to pay £60 for a Dorset Police Driver Awareness Scheme course and avoid getting points on their licence.
Head of road safety at Dorset County Council Robert Smith said: “We have been greatly encouraged by the comments received from people in Dorset, nationally and internationally showing that the aim of ‘no excuse’ is understood and applauded.
“The team is committed to being out on Dorset’s roads continuing to use a mixture of covert and overt operations to enforce the message that there is no excuse for bad and dangerous driving.”

The year-long No Excuse campaign, launched in January by a number of different authorities, involves a combination of extra enforcement by police officers and speed camera operators and an advertisement campaign.
People may have seen the posters around the county which say ‘Caught? No Excuse.’ The county council says they are there to highlight the fact that drivers and motorcyclists who break the law and endanger themselves and others could be caught anywhere, at any time.


The policy of cameras is allowing many to forget about how to apply good road safety practices as good drivers and the authorities too, to forget about all the real world problems than meeting targets. More well trained Traffic Police can help to guide and advise and so educate the better good driving / riding practices on the road at the time of offence.

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So, even using their most conservative figures, 31 of the 50 each day were caught for speeding, presumably using scameras.

I still applaud catching 19 dangerous drivers per day. How many of those were for not wearing a seatbelt?

I'm particularly concerned about those "using mobile phones while driving and not wearing seatbelts"; are they significantly more dangerous than those using mobile phones while (sic) driving but wearing their seatbelts?

What I am getting at is how many drivers, during this wildly successful initial fining period, were stopped for driving practices that can, in and of themselves, be identified as dangerous, rather than simply belonging to a group of prohibited behaviours?

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Whatever the other rights and wrongs of this campaign it has paid for itself many times over by catching the man eating a sandwich. That is the most dangerous behaviour imaginable involving, as it does, removing one hand from the steering wheel for several periods almost as long as those involved in changing gear. In addition the mouth movements involved are greater than those when talking, itself well known to very dangerous.

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Dorset CC wrote:
“The team is committed to being out on Dorset’s roads continuing to use a mixture of covert and overt operations to enforce the message that there is no excuse for bad and dangerous driving.”

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The county council says they are there to highlight the fact that drivers and motorcyclists who break the law and endanger themselves and others could be caught anywhere, at any time.

I agree with Robin about the incoherent thinking behind this and the two quotes above show this. A lot of those caught were not actually doing anything dangerous but this has been conflated with simply breaking a regulation. Was the criterion for prosecution really as stated in the second quote "break the law and endanger themselves and others" or just the first clause?

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What I am getting at is how many drivers, during this wildly successful initial fining period, were stopped for driving practices that can, in and of themselves, be identified as dangerous, rather than simply belonging to a group of prohibited behaviours?

And if they are so dangerous then why allow them to continue in that practice and never speak to them about it for 2 wks or more, and then never (rarely) educate even then, about the actual problem observed in the first place !
If dangerous has come down to removing he hand from the steering wheel to puff a cigar, itch one's face, swat a fly and so on then they are looking in the wrong places and do not understand the core values of either a good driver never mind understand the wrong one's !
I do not approve of eating in the car while driving, but many do so and many can accomplish this with reasonable safety, surely we have to look at the real world and understand what goes on and what is truly wrong that what someone thinks is or maybe is, the case ?

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malcolmw wrote:
.... A lot of those caught were not actually doing anything dangerous but this has been conflated with simply breaking a regulation. Was the criterion for prosecution really as stated in the second quote "break the law and endanger themselves and others" or just the first clause?
Indeed and I agree with you both, there is a very clear trend that 'do as we say or else, receive fines, points etc' The bully tactics of a desperate attempt to control. As for road safety it is a mere facade for their cameras enforcement function.
People are not stupid, they drive along 1000 times and do some 'bad behaviour' (not good but this happens) then they are told that it is so bad they may die or others may, does the driver believe it - no - why - well nothing has gone wrong so far so why now. All that they believe is that they may receive a fine and points. Do they change their behaviour, no or very unlikely to - what they do do is try to carry on but in a manner that the authorities cannot see and spend ever more time trying to worry about and observe cameras to prevent the fine / points.
The right approach to good behaviours and encouragement to do the right actions is never usually by wielding sticks, but by first encourage, entice, show demonstrate and educate to good practices. provide good facilities too to encourage good habits and behaviours.
I think this shows to true and sad state that things have reached ...

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The only manifestation of this campaign I've observed is little boards saying "No Excuses" on all the bare poles the camera partnership use for putting VAS on.

Wondered what they were...


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The only manifestation of this campaign I've observed is little boards saying "No Excuses" on all the bare poles the camera partnership use for putting VAS on.

Wondered what they were...

Oh yes, I wondered what they were. Keep seeing the one on the A31 in West Moors where nobody gives way on the roundabout, somewhat ironic in the positioning of the sign I feel. :lol:


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Martin Lea wrote:
In certain cases drivers are offered the chance to pay £60 for a Dorset Police Driver Awareness Scheme course and avoid getting points on their licence.


I initially parsed this as

Some drivers can pay £60 to be trained how to be aware of Police Drivers which will help them avoid getting points.

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toltec wrote:
Martin Lea wrote:
In certain cases drivers are offered the chance to pay £60 for a Dorset Police Driver Awareness Scheme course and avoid getting points on their licence.


I initially parsed this as

Some drivers can pay £60 to be trained how to be aware of Police Drivers which will help them avoid getting points.

:evil:


I read this as "now that the SCP scam has subsided , certain police forces have decided to get in on the act and make some money for retired colleagues running "Safety Awareness courses"- sort of Police advanced Pension enhancement scheme . :twisted: :twisted:

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