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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:09 
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Speed camera set on fire days after speed limit change
2:33pm Mon 3rd May 10:: written by Nick Mayo

A speed camera on a road in Old Windsor where the limit was recently reduced following the death of a 89-year-man has been set on fire.

Firefighters were called out to Straight Road in Windsor at 1am on Sunday.
A car tyre had been placed around the speed camera and set alight.
With the tyre being extremely combustible the camera was engulfed in flames and smoke when an appliance from Windsor Station arrived.
Firefighters used a hose reel to tackle the blaze.
Mick Rowley, fire brigade union secretary at Windsor, said the fire was 'obviously done deliberately' and that the police were called.
One lane of the carriageway was closed for about an hour.
Mr Rowley said: "It is quite sad, the speed restriction was just changed because of the death of George Shacklady."
The speed limit on Straight Road was reduced from 40mph to 30mph on Monday, April 26.

Changes followed the death of Mr Shacklady, 89, after his car was involved in a collision at the junction of Straight Road and St Peters Road.

I guess we could read Mr Rowley's comment in two ways. That the speed limit was only changed because of one death (tragic is this is) and then, whether or not he was in agreement with this.
Speed limit settings should not be reduced just because of a single death,especially when there seems little indication as to the true route cause. Ignoring route cause is not in the interests of genuine and intelligent road safety.
Making a road slower may not be the solution and can cause problems too. Understanding the engineering of the road layout and traffic flow is essential before any road alterations are made ! After a speed limit reduction they might expect less casualties but this may well not be the case.
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:33 
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That area does seem to be a residential one (Google link), so an adjustment to 30 may well be viewed as reasonable.

Of course, no limit will help when folks who don’t look when exiting a junction, which was the case here. It would be interesting to know the speed of the van involved (I can’t find any info on that). If it was within 30mph then the apparent (as reported) basis for this measure is void.

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Based on no evidence whatsoever, could Mr Shacklady's age have a bearing on this?

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 14:02 
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Based on no evidence whatsoever, could Mr Shacklady's age have a bearing on this?

...and the fact he was in a Seicento - not a very big car - and probably more vulnerable in a side on impact.

However, his death had nothing to do with the new limit - plans for that were already in place.
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An 89-year-old man has died after a horrifying collision on a notoriously dangerous village road on Friday.

The accident happened at 2.30pm in Straight Road, Old Windsor, near the Toby Carvery when a red Fiat Seicento being driven by the man and a silver Renault van were in collision.

Neighbours rushed out to see a shocking scene. The van had come to rest on the pavement, partly demolishing the wall of a house.

One neighbour comforted the injured the elderly man, who is believed to be a veteran Old Windsor resident, as he waited in his shattered car for the ambulance to arrive. He was rushed to Wexham Park Hospital where he died later that evening.

The accident caused chaos, as Straight Road was closed for five hours. Traffic was diverted through the back roads of Old Windsor.

Plans are already in an advanced state to improve safety in Straight Road following the presentation of a petition to the Royal Borough by residents. A new 30mph limit is due to replace the 40mph limit within weeks and plans for a mini-roundabout at the junction of Straight Road and Church Road are expected to go to public consultation soon.

Today the Royal Borough's lead member for highways Colin Rayner, himself trapped in the traffic chaos on Friday, said: "We will be fully investigating how this accident happened. Everyone on the council is very upset about it."

I'm with Steve on this - even without knowing it was a "notorious road", I would have expected to find it was a 30 limit.

The StreetView however, makes this accident seem all the more puzzling - http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&q=St+Peters+Road+old+windsor&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=St+Peters+Rd,+Old+Windsor,+Windsor+and+Maidenhead+SL4+2,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.462229,-0.583836&spn=0.001628,0.004823&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=51.462234,-0.583998&panoid=x7tyUGsjPyr3vIjBckDkIw&cbp=12,132.35,,0,5
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The van had come to rest on the pavement, partly demolishing the wall of a house.

Which house? They all seem a long way back - even the boundary walls!

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Not if the van was driving on the opposite side of the road from St Peters road....in which case the house boundary wall is on the edge of the pavement.

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Not if the van was driving on the opposite side of the road from St Peters road....in which case the house boundary wall is on the edge of the pavement.

Are you presuming that the van was coming from the right or the left?
I'm presuming the right, and the van driver swerved right to try and avoid the exiting driver - but if he made it to the house boundary opposite, it might appear that the final impact speed was not so great that the van did not crash through along Straight Road.

We recently lost an elderly resident in similar circumstances on the A591 - NSL applies.
He appears to have pulled out in front of an oncoming vehicle for no apparent reason.
The view to the right is extensive:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&q=Hollins+Ln,+Burneside,+Kendal,+Cumbria+LA9+6QL,+United+Kingdom&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FRFVPQMdubjV_w&split=0&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=6.881357,14.941406&hq=&hnear=Hollins+Ln,+Burneside,+Kendal,+Cumbria+LA9+6QL,+United+Kingdom&ll=54.349556,-2.776773&spn=0.00176,0.004136&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=54.349523,-2.776925&panoid=HDYf0hZq9JR916NnfdsbZg&cbp=12,305.37,,0,4.36
However, in the distance, a parallel lane crosses the same main road where it is dualled, and it was the scene of another fatal a while ago, again involving an elderly local man - this time, hit by a van from the left. :(

It worries me, because my father is 82 - but a cautious driver with no accidents to his name except one none blame - he was hit by a driver in the Scottish highlands, on a single track road. The other driver was rushing for a ferry, and could not stop in time when he met an oncoming car - my father, who had stopped by the time he was struck!

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