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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:21 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1269100/Student-faces-60-fine-time-tries-park-driveway.html#ixzz0mIMteYuL

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Student faces a £60 fine every time he tries to park on his own driveway

With a busy road packed with commuter traffic and a pedestrian crossing just yards away, simply driving to and from his house can be a major headache for Maxwell Cannon.

Whether he goes in forwards or backwards, a breach of the Highway Code is almost inevitable - and so yesterday the chemistry student achieved the unwelcome distinction of being fined £60 for reversing into his own driveway.

The 25-year-old, who lives with his mother, a Labour Parliamentary candidate, was spotted by police waiting for a break in heavy traffic so he could back up the drive of the family's terraced home in Harrington, Cumbria.
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Ridiculous': Maxwell Cannon was fined £60 after stopping on zig zag lines as he tried to reverse into his driveway in Harrington, Cumbria

They told him he was committing an offence because he was stationary on the zigzag markings of the crossing and told him to move on.

But when they returned after driving a mile up the road he was still there, waiting for his chance to reverse into the house, a court was told.

He was fined £60 but lodged an appeal, and yesterday a judge was told it 'offended common sense' that someone was not allowed to reverse into his own driveway.

However the argument was rejected, and afterwards the Manchester University student said he and his family had now been placed in an impossible situation.

'It's ridiculous, but I've taken it as far as I can,' he said. 'It leaves us with the threat of being prosecuted every time we try and get into our own driveway.

'I understand the policeman has a job to do, but he could have showed some discretion.

'I think he was just throwing his weight around, and as motorists we're easy targets for them to get their crime figures up.'
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Regulations: Motorists are allowed to stop on zig zag lines if they are turning left or right, but only if they are driving forwards

Mr Cannon said he had been driving for eight years and had performed the manoeuvre many times without difficulty.

'I said to him I wasn't parked and I was waiting for a gap in the traffic. If he was so worried about me causing an obstruction why didn't he just stop the traffic for a moment so I could safely reverse into my driveway?'

The hearing at Carlisle Crown Court was told the police officers had spotted him waiting on the zigzag markings on the busy A596 just after 5pm on August 10 last year.

When they discovered he had ignored their warning to move he was told he was committing a traffic offence and issued with a fixed penalty notice.

Regulations allow drivers to stop on zigzag markings if they are about to turn left or right, but that only applied if they were planning to drive forwards, not backwards, the court heard.

Mr Cannon told the hearing the only alternative when traffic was nose-to-tail was to drive in forwards.

But as there was nowhere to turn around that would mean contravening the Highway Code by reversing out into the main road and putting himself and others in danger.

His barrister, Alison Whalley, said it 'offended common sense' that someone was not allowed to reverse into his own drive.

In evidence to the court, Cumbria Police said that would have been a better option because reversing on to a main road was 'a lesser sin' than stopping on the pedestrian crossing.

The officer suggested parking elsewhere until the traffic eased or going in forwards and getting someone to keep a look-out when he wanted to reverse out again.

Upholding the £60 fixed penalty notice, the judge, Recorder Ahmed Nadim, said: 'We accept that he has intended to conduct his driving in a manner designed to mitigate the inconvenience to other traffic, but that does not afford him an exemption under the regulations.'

Mr Cannon's mother Barbara is fighting to overturn a Conservative majority in the Penrith and the Borders constituency.

Is this a case of drive in reverse out? I thought that was frowned upon, or should he simply wait until the traffic is lighter? Seem strange to me - I think that the problem lies with drivers who are not prepared to give way for a few seconds while a fellow motorist completes his manouvre onto his driveway! The officers should have politely held up traffic for him, rather than be so officious!

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Ernest Marsh wrote:
Is this a case of drive in reverse out? I thought that was frowned upon,
The HC201 says you shouldn't reverse into a main road but it isn't a specific offence.
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Seem strange to me - I think that the problem lies with drivers who are not prepared to give way for a few seconds while a fellow motorist completes his manouvre onto his driveway!
He can't reverse into his drive without stopping at some point. Even if he stopped beyond the zig-zags he would fall foul of HC203 (You MUST NOT reverse your vehicle further than necessary.) which is mandatory [Law CUR reg 106]
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The officers should have politely held up traffic for him, rather than be so officious!
That would be the thin end of a very thick wedge. Once the trafpol start being helpful to their enemies who knows where it might end.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 16:03 
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Ernest Marsh wrote:
The officers should have politely held up traffic for him, rather than be so officious!

That would be the thin end of a very thick wedge. Once the trafpol start being helpful to their enemies who knows where it might end.

Ha! But they STOPPED there to have words with him, yet didn't allow him to enter his driveway???

It says he was still there when they got back, having told him to move on - but faced with such an officious attitude, I rather suspect that I would have been too!

Have we all had common sense beaten out of us? It would seem that this is what the authorities are aiming for!

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If I was the guy living there (and it wouldn't matter if there were zig zags there or not) I would take the common sense approach of holding up traffic as little as possible, especially at peak times. Obviously reversing OUT of the drive or reversing IN the drive is going to be akward at peak times, so why not drive straight in when traffic is really heavy and then when traffic subsides an hour or so later, reverse out onto the road and then reverse back in , leaving yourself ready to drive OUt in the morning when traffic is busy again...simple common sense, really!

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Clearly the law trumps common sense. Twice.


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We need a smiley of a motorist over a barrel with the authorities having their wicked way with him... :x

I know the area well. It can be a pretty busy road and depending on exactly whereabouts it is, there's a farily steep hill so visibility can be a problem too. Interestingly I see the copper was "inciting him to commit an offence of reversing on to a main road! :nono:

I also couldn't help noticing that the kerb had been dropped beween his drive and the road, so maybe the Council could be complicit in this heinous crime too! Looks like he's just going to have to build a railway-style turntable in his drive, so he can always go in and out forwards! :roll:


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Mole wrote:

I also couldn't help noticing that the kerb had been dropped between his drive and the road, so maybe the Council could be complicit in this heinous crime too! Looks like he's just going to have to build a railway-style turntable in his drive, so he can always go in and out forwards! :roll:

Rather a "which came first" sort of thing . From experience know that planning permission is needed for dropped kerb ,and level depends on class of road -so perhaps crossing was added after -and if so ,why was no account taken of dropped kerb planning permission?

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Some good points already made. :)
I wonder though if this is a 'confidence' issue ?
If I were intending to reverse in here, I would not go and park on the zig-zags, I'd retain my position in the traffic adjusting it and indicating all appropriately so that the car behind was clearly aware of my intentions, and then simply reverse back in even in heavy traffic.
I totally agree drive in forwards and sort yourself out later when it is much quieter.

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SafeSpeedv2 wrote:
Some good points already made. :)
I wonder though if this is a 'confidence' issue ?
If I were intending to reverse in here, I would not go and park on the zig-zags, I'd retain my position in the traffic adjusting it and indicating all appropriately so that the car behind was clearly aware of my intentions, and then simply reverse back in even in heavy traffic.


I have narrow driveway which I often have to enter/exit at busy times, I'd think that aproach maybe work sometimes but I wouln't bet on it always working! My driveway is narrow and if entering going forwards requires positioning quite near the road centerline, thusly slowing down following traffic. Most of the time there is no problem but I've had horns blown and fists shaken when doing this .. heaven help if I have to stop and wait for pedestrians to clear before proceeding, that can start some serious tantrums! Yup I give plenty of indication of my intention, but some folks just seem so impatient and bad mannered. A couple of weeks back I was reversing in and had half the car off the road, the front was sticking out no more than a parked car width, yet an approaching driver saw fit to give it big horn and swerve viloently to the other side of the road in some bad tempered attempt to "big it up", if I held him up at all, it only required a slight slowdown definitely nothing more, and as he demonstrated the other side of the road was clear .... no need at all for horns or any violent manouveres.

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I totally agree drive in forwards and sort yourself out later when it is much quieter.
I generally do this ... but sometimes it just isn't possible and I do sometimes just plain forget to go and do it. Say for instance you want to pick up a trailer or pick up something bulky/heavy, or just plain want to leave again shortly?

Edited this as I sumitted before I finished typing .. doh!

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I've seen the view expressed on another forum that he was probably in fact waiting to pick up a passenger and the claim that he was waiting to reverse into the drive was a smoke-screen.

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Whatever reason for reversing in, it doesn't take five minutes to do. The guy was blatantly taking the piss, he must have been waiting to pick up a passenger when the police told him to move on so he gave some line about waiting for a gap to reverse in so the police left him. Then he continued to wait on the zig-zags for another five minutes but the police came back and found him still there.

The police did give him a second chance: "But when they returned after driving a mile up the road he was still there, waiting for his chance to reverse into the house, a court was told."

And if I did need to reverse in those circumstances, I think I'd be a bit more assertive about it - engage reverse gear to activate the reversing lights, put your left indicator on and start nudging out and backwards - the traffic will soon stop for you. As Claire said:

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If I were intending to reverse in here, I would not go and park on the zig-zags, I'd retain my position in the traffic adjusting it and indicating all appropriately so that the car behind was clearly aware of my intentions, and then simply reverse back in even in heavy traffic.

As with so many of these stories, there's almost certainly more to it than meets the eye.

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