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Anger at £1.3m-a-year speed camera
(UKPA) – 6 hours ago

A campaign group has been protesting against a speed camera which nets around £1.3 million a year in fines despite there being just one serious injury on the road since 1999.
An average 1,843 motorists a month are each hit with a £60 ticket after being caught over the 30mph limit on the dual carriageway in Poole, Dorset.
Road safety action group Dorset Speed said the fines are dished out despite the fact that there has only been one serious injury in 11 years.
The camera, on the A350 Holes Bay road, was originally installed to catch drivers going through red traffic lights but was changed into a speed camera under an initiative called Speed on Green. Angry motorists have labelled the scheme Greed on Green.
Dorset Speed obtained the figures after complaining to the Information Commissioner. The group claimed Dorset Safety Camera Partnership refused to release the data which showed the fines totalled around £108,000 a month which equated to "a staggering" £1.3 million.

It said the limit is "completely inappropriate" for a wide open dual carriageway with little pedestrian or residential activity and is "wildly inconsistent" with other roads in the area.
"There is clearly no justification whatsoever for such a low speed limit or extreme enforcement on Holes Bay," the group said.
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I hope to hear from them soon ! :lol:
and from Bournemouth Echo Here
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Holes Bay speed camera takes £1m in its first year
12:00pm Wednesday 7th July 2010 - By James Morton
FURY has greeted revelations that Dorset’s most controversial speed camera is poised to generate more than £1m in its first year of operation.
The speed on green device on Holes Bay Road, Poole, has been dubbed “greed on green” by angry campaigners.

The camera caught more than 7,000 drivers exceeding the 30mph limit in its first four months, raking in £108,000 a month Previously a device intended only to catch motorists jumping red lights, it was altered last year to also snap those speeding through green lights.
Dorset Police said focusing on one site gave a “skewed” view of their road safety policy and the site would continue to be enforced until drivers slowed down.
But Ian Belchamber, from motoring campaign website Dorset Speed, branded the amount generated by the money-spinning camera “a complete disgrace”.
“There is no justification whatsoever for such a low speed limit or extreme enforcement,” he said. “Treating responsible drivers like naughty children, while ignoring dangerous drivers who cause carnage, isn’t something a civilised society should be comfortable with.”

Dorset Speed Camera Partnership figures show there has been just one serious accident at the Holes Bay site since 1999.
Pat Garrett, Dorset Police’s head of safety, education and enforcement services, said the camera was not about casualty reduction but installed because of community concerns.
He added that an independent survey showed 90 per cent of people were supportive of the aims of speed cameras.
At the current rate, the Holes Bay speed on green device could spawn almost £1.5m by the end of the year.

David Mallinson, one of the thousands caught by the camera, said: “I am astonished.
“It has been done purely to generate revenue.”
Money generated by fines goes straight to the Treasury, which reinvests most of the money in road safety schemes.
More than 3.6m vehicle movements have passed through the Holes Bay junction in the time the speed on camera has operated.
The number of tickets generated when the camera was purely for catching red-light jumpers in 2008-09 was just 330.


This is clearly showing the disgracefulness of this flawed 'road safety' policy.

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I'm guessing this (Google Street View) is it.

It does seem an odd location for a camera. The enforcement of that :30:, where there is a pelicon crossing, does seem greedy to me too, especially as there is a location slightly further up where pedestrians have to cross without the aid of a pelicon crossing - where the limit is higher at :50: :???:

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My boss just got done here.

1. It's a fast dual carriageway that unaccountably goes :30: far too early. It feels achingly slow doing 30 here.

2. The camera is a long-pre-existing red light camera that was onverted to a speed camera with minor fanfair in the local press only.

I am very thankful for my Road Angel as even though I use that road frequently, I sometimes forget it's a speed camera too now.


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Hopefully some of you saw me on the ITV news on Friday evening. Even I’ve been amazed and encouraged by the media interest and support in this, it has given me strength and determination to continue to fight this. But now, the most important thing is support from the public. My efforts will come to nothing unless I have strong public support. So PLEASE tell your friends / enemies / family / colleagues etc. about this, every single support email I get to info@dorsetspeed.org.uk will strengthen our position. Don’t just leave it to others. This effort has a real chance of succeeding in revealing the true incompetence of the DSCP and other partnerships, and ultimately, if we can get road safety policy to focus on road safety, instead of taking money off us, to SAVE LIVES. This may be the one chance we get, MAKE THE MOST OF IT!!

Hear is the list of articles I’ve found this evening about this:

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/8 ... r/?ref=rss

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/185 ... -safe-road

viewtopic.php?f=5&p=225060

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ement.html

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/media/ ... 00000.html

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/8 ... _combined/

http://money.uk.msn.com/news/articles.a ... =154062271

http://www.dissexpress.co.uk/news/natio ... a_1_665778

I’m hoping also to put up a link to the ITV news article – and a response to the very poor DSCP statement.

So we have some real momentum. But we have to keep going!

I’m still working on getting this properly looked at by a solicitor, but they are of course slippery animals and I’m not sure I’ve found the best solution yet. If anyone knows of a trusty local firm please let me know! Quite a number have said they’d be happy to contribute to the costs of a proper legal challenge, but again, every contribution, no matter how small WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I won’t take a penny until a strategy is in place agreed by all contributors, please let me know if you want to take part. You’ve had £60 robbed from you (maybe to or three times) so a small fraction of this could be money well spent. The strategy (if it develops) will include complete transparency so that all contributions and costs will be detailed on the website.

There’s a few other new things going on which I hope to be able to report on in the next day or 2.

There’s a few other ideas floating around, like a possible protest at the site, but again this will be a failure if 3 people turn up. Let me know if you are prepared to do your best to turn up if a protest is organised, or if you have any other ideas.

This is a completely unique opportunity to show the “authorities” the error of their ways, I’m convinced the problems we’ve seen with road safety exist in other areas of government and councils, once the current road safety “experts” have been revealed as what they are, who knows what could happen!



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Hopefully some of you saw me on the ITV news on Friday evening. Even I’ve been amazed and encouraged by the media interest and support in this, it has given me strength and determination to continue to fight this. But now, the most important thing is support from the public. My efforts will come to nothing unless I have strong public support. So PLEASE tell your friends / enemies / family / colleagues etc. about this, every single support email I get to info@dorsetspeed.org.uk will strengthen our position. Don’t just leave it to others. This effort has a real chance of succeeding in revealing the true incompetence of the DSCP and other partnerships, and ultimately, if we can get road safety policy to focus on road safety, instead of taking money off us, to SAVE LIVES. This may be the one chance we get, MAKE THE MOST OF IT!!

Hear is the list of articles I’ve found this evening about this:

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/8 ... r/?ref=rss

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/185 ... -safe-road

viewtopic.php?f=5&p=225060

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ement.html

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/media/ ... 00000.html

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/8 ... _combined/

http://money.uk.msn.com/news/articles.a ... =154062271

http://www.dissexpress.co.uk/news/natio ... a_1_665778

I’m hoping also to put up a link to the ITV news article – and a response to the very poor DSCP statement.

So we have some real momentum. But we have to keep going!

I’m still working on getting this properly looked at by a solicitor, but they are of course slippery animals and I’m not sure I’ve found the best solution yet. If anyone knows of a trusty local firm please let me know! Quite a number have said they’d be happy to contribute to the costs of a proper legal challenge, but again, every contribution, no matter how small WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I won’t take a penny until a strategy is in place agreed by all contributors, please let me know if you want to take part. You’ve had £60 robbed from you (maybe to or three times) so a small fraction of this could be money well spent. The strategy (if it develops) will include complete transparency so that all contributions and costs will be detailed on the website.

There’s a few other new things going on which I hope to be able to report on in the next day or 2.

There’s a few other ideas floating around, like a possible protest at the site, but again this will be a failure if 3 people turn up. Let me know if you are prepared to do your best to turn up if a protest is organised, or if you have any other ideas.

This is a completely unique opportunity to show the “authorities” the error of their ways, I’m convinced the problems we’ve seen with road safety exist in other areas of government and councils, once the current road safety “experts” have been revealed as what they are, who knows what could happen!



Cheers, Ian



Ian - :welcome: :welcome: to the forum .

In a nutshell - you';ve identified the SS message - at last we're getting more folks on board .

BUT WE NEED MORE CLOUT AT COUNTY COUNCIL/PARLIAMENT LEVEL TO GET THE MESSAGE THROUGH .

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:welcome: Ian - DorsetSpeed

I have just seen this BBC link :
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Group claims speed camera nets £1.3m a year in fines
Page last updated at 14:58 GMT, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:58 UK

A campaign group has claimed a speed camera on a Dorset road nets about £1.3m a year in fines despite one serious injury on the road since 1999.
Dorset Speed said an average 1,843 motorists a month get a £60 ticket after being caught over the 30mph limit on the A350 Holes Bay Road in Poole.
But Dorset Safety Camera Partnership (DSCP) said about 600,000 vehicles pass through the junction every month.
It added that "only 0.26% of these drivers were prosecuted for speeding".
Ian Belchamber, who founded Dorset Speed, said the DSCP refused his Freedom of Information request claiming the data would encourage attacks on speed cameras.

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Mr Belchamber took the case to the Information Commissioner who released the figures.
He added that the fines totalled around £108,000 a month, equating to the £1.3m figure.
Mr Belchamber said: "Quite obviously, speed cameras are being deliberately used where they are going to get the maximum amount of funds and not where there's a safety problem.
"I have nothing against speed cameras and speed limits, they play a big part in the overall strategy in place to look after the roads.
"The problem we have here [are] limits which are being made much too low."
'Pedestrians and cyclists'
The camera was originally installed several years ago, to catch drivers going through red traffic lights but was changed into a speed camera in July last year under an initiative called Speed on Green.
DSCP said it conducted a full consultation with the Borough of Poole Council before installing it.
"The road is very busy as it caters for pedestrians and cyclists as well as motorised vehicles, and as a result has been designated a 30mph speed limit," it added.
"We are working hard to reduce this figure further but need the assistance of the motorists to achieve this aim."


it has also made it to the Elephant Insurance PR list : Here

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Hello Ian - you may remember me from your old forum.

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There’s a few other ideas floating around, like a possible protest at the site, but again this will be a failure if 3 people turn up. Let me know if you are prepared to do your best to turn up if a protest is organised, or if you have any other ideas.


There was a young local councillor in Telford ( he was only about twenty, I believe, and I was told that he didn't even have his own car at the time) who was concerned about the general publics' annoyal of some recently installed traffic lights on a busy island.
He mounted a one man protest, holding a placard asking motorists to blow their horn if they disaggreed with the lights. The resulting media coverage and responses got the lights changed and he went on to secure a job as highways advisor.

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Also made Tips from T List here.

Plus an update from Ian :
Ian Belchamber wrote:
Update, 13th July 2010

DorsetSpeed was on Heart FM this morning, the media support and interest in this continues, link on www.dorsetspeed.org.uk.

I have a local solicitor involved now that I am happy with, Ellis Jones, who have noticed a sharp rise in enquiries relating to this site and dealt with a few. They are offering a free assessment if you have a NIP, and a 10% discount for any further work if you want to be represented for a court appearance, etc. They may do some work for us to look into the legality of the setup, this plan will develop over the next few weeks.

I have someone who is going to court this week who will put some evidence of the public concern about this in front of the court and I hope to be able to report on this shortly.

If you have an active NIP right now, you have 2 choices: just pay it, or go to court, on the understanding that you might pay a bit more (shouldn’t be too much more) and loose some time, but you will have the opportunity to likewise, point out to the court that something is seriously wrong here. It will hopefully start to sink in and help to build the case that this camera is in no ones interest at all. This operation is surviving only because it’s easier and quicker to pay the fine than it is to go to court. If everyone who got an NIP here chose to go to court, this would simply have to be shut down immediately as the courts would become a joke. For those who are going to court or have done, please let me know how it goes and if you are happy for me to publish what happens (anonymously). Please contact me before you go to court in case I have any new information.

I’ve been contacted by 2 drivers who are actually emergency service qualified drivers, who have seen the dreadful results of bad driving and have always been vigorous supporters of all safety organisations and activities – but not any more.

I now await a response from FOI about the “community concern” and about the precise technical detail of the entire installation and any changes that have been made while it has been active.

Please continue to spread the word, as I’ve said before, if we can get the DSCP or any organisation that might replace it to work hard on road safety, instead of appearing to concentrate on extracting all the cash they possibly can from safe motorists, it might SAVE LIVES.

See also the Article "Dorset Speed is not just about attacking the DSCP": http://www.dorsetspeed.org.uk/news/sog7.aspx

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Following this article in the Blackmore Vale Magazine....

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SPEED cameras have become one of those taboos that must not be criticised in these days of Political Correctness.

Breathe a word of faint criticism about the siting of speed cameras and the road safety enforcement brigade (motto: all speeders should be locked up and the keys thrown away) will go into meltdown.

They'll squawk about mad-eyed drivers ploughing into terrified old people trying to cross from their homes to the post office, or innocent children being squashed on their way to school. But, of course, they're deliberately missing the point; no-one wants to show the green light to irresponsible drivers tearing around the place willy-nilly.

The point that the growing army of speed camera critics is making is that, in true 21st century spirit of the age, so many camera sites are being selected purely and simply to be sure of raking in as much money as possible. Road safety needs are, all too often, a long way down the list of criteria when locations are chosen.

How many times have you driven along a road with absolutely no housing or shops on either side only to suddenly encounter a speed limit sign? Why is it there? Mrs Mouth and I, in our witty way, say that somebody of influence in the right places must live nearby; the reality is more likely that it is to enable motorists to be snared with fines.

A pressure group called Dorset Speed was established a few years ago to fight such underhand, disingenuous tactics and they set off a small bomb last week when they revealed their findings about the 30mph limit on the A350 Holes Bay Road in Poole.

They had to appeal to the Information Commissioner to get the figures after the Dorset Safety Camera Partnership refused their request under the Freedom of Information Act. The campaign group found that on average 1,843 motorists a month get a £60 ticket for exceeding the 30 limit on that stretch of main road – more than 60 every single day. Campaign founder Ian Belchamber said fines totalled £108,000 a month, equating to an annual figure of £1.3m – or £3,600 per day.

He says: "Quite obviously, speed cameras are being deliberately used where they are going to get the maximum amount of funds and not where there's a safety problem. I have nothing against cameras and speed limits. They play a big part in the overall strategy to look after the roads. The problem here is limits which are being made much too low."

A Dorset Safety Camera Partnership spokesman said: "The road is very busy as it caters for pedestrians and cyclists as well as motorised vehicles, and as a result has been designated a 30mph speed limit."

The last word goes to Dorset Speed: "Enforcements are most likely to be installed to catch large numbers of safe motorists, while ignoring the seriously incompetent and dangerous drivers who actually cause the carnage on our roads."

Couldn't have put it better myself. If the authorities want motorists to drive more responsibly, then they have a responsibility themselves to come clean and place their speed traps, of whatever variety, where they'll do most good – for road safety rather than public coffers.


... a really ranty letter by someone called Stephen Marquiss has been published, crammed full of stats and links (it's like a Spinny rant) and positively livid that Dorset Speed were allowed "the last word". I'm replying:

Johnny wrote:
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For a concerned member of the public, Stephen Marquiss is obviously on top of his brief (letters, 22 July) on speed cameras. However, the level of his fury at Dorset Speed’s “getting the last word” on the Holes Bay camera scandal makes me think he’s got more of an axe to grind than he lets on.

Exceeding the speed limit – by the government’s own admission – only actually causes about 5% of accidents, so it is (a) odd that preventing it attracts so much attention, and (b) sad that the more significant causes of accidents don’t. So why the obsession by some with speed? I suspect that deep down, some killjoys just don’t like the freedom other people enjoy behind the wheel of a car.

Now, some detail about the Holes Bay camera, which Mr Marquiss and other readers may not be very familiar with. Few would argue with a speed camera outside a primary school, or at a noted accident black spot. However:
1. This camera is on a three lane dual carriageway with no dwellings on either side. Less than a decade ago it was a 70mph road, then the limit became 50, now it is 30mph. That’s right, on a three lane dual carriageway designed for 70.
2. More to the point, this speed camera looks just like a red light camera, which is what it used to be. There are no specific warning signs to say it is a speed camera; if you’re local (or you have a GPS camera warning device) you’ll know the sneaky trick that has been played. If you’re not then you’re fair game it seems.
3. There’s only been serious accident there in the last eight years (and we don’t know how caused), so hardly a black spot, is it?
4. Finally - and damningly - Dorset Police have said themselves that the Holes Bay camera “was not about accident reduction but was installed because of community concerns”, which is lucky when there’s no real scope for reduction. Small comfort for the thousands of people in the community who have been handed a £60 fine and three points, most of them while driving perfectly safely. At least the rest of the community can see that “something has been done”, even though it’s addressing a very minor cause of accidents, in a place with next to none anyway.

However, there is hope. In these recessionary times, many local councils are dropping their financial input to the ‘safety camera partnerships’ faster than a speeding car. So far Swindon has done so (Guess what? There has been no increase in accidents), now Dorset County Council are planning to cut their £346,000 contribution. Maybe Dorset’s highwaymen have seen the way the wind is blowing and are using the Holes Bay camera to feather their nests in advance?


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Exceeding the speed limit – by the government’s own admission – only actually causes about 5% of accidents


Actually, they don't say that exceeding the speed limit causes 5% of accidents, or even that it's a factor in 5% of accidents, but rather that 5% of accidents involve someone exceeding the limit.

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My letter was published, also a letter in a similar vein by a respected local guy called Bill Woodhouse.

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Bournemouth Echo - James Morton wrote:
Call to refund motorists caught on Holes Bay Road camera
By James Morton - 7:00pm Monday 2nd August 2010

FINES and points generated by Poole’s controversial £1m speed camera should be wiped, a campaigner has claimed.

Ian Belchamber, from Dorset Speed, said the justification for the camera’s status was not credible and it should be deactivated.

Annette Brooke, MP for Mid-Dorset and North Poole, has also quizzed the Dorset Safety Camera Partnership (DCSP) over the level of income generated by the device at Holes Bay.

The Daily Echo revealed last month that the speed on green camera was on course to make more than £1m in its first year of operation.

DCSP said the reason the camera was installed was not for the purposes of accident reduction but because of “community concerns”.

In an email to DCSP, Mr Belchamber said: “Is the objective road safety or is it just to punish those disobeying arbitrary rules?

“All I ask is that you provide a credible, unconfused justification which stands up to scrutiny.

“If this really is not possible, you have no choice but to attempt to restore some trust and confidence by immediately deactivating this camera and reversing the fines and points it has created.”

Responding to a Freedom of Information request, DSCP expanded on “community concern” by stating it had received emails from residents who raised worries over speeding along the road.

DCSP also said all the money generated by the camera went to the Treasury.

The camera, at the junction of Holes Bay Road and Sterte Avenue, was originally installed to catch drivers jumping red lights.

It now flashes drivers passing through above the 30mph limit, even when the lights are green.

In its first four months as a speed on green device, the camera caught more than 7,000 drivers, raking in £108,000 a month.

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I was so angre when i came home from work a few days ago and found not 1 but 2 letters from Central Ticket Offices saying i was exceeding the speed limit on Holes Bay Rd traffic lights on 2 occations.
I was doing dead on 40mph as i have always done for 15 years of driving down that main rd or should i say dual carrage way!!!.
I could understand if i went through a red light but i didnt i was just doing the speed i always have done along there.
I would never expect to reduce to 30 on a dual carrage way unless there was road works, its just unheard of, im sooo f*****G mad about it as i now will have 6 flaming point on my licence.
I have always had the upmost respect for speed cameras but not no more.
Going to go and but some cans of spray paint!!!
Am i right in thinking they reduced the speed limit to 30 straight from 50? if so that insane.
I am thinking to protest and take it to court, has anyone had any success with there appeal

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I was so angre when i came home from work a few days ago and found not 1 but 2 letters from Central Ticket Offices saying i was exceeding the speed limit on Holes Bay Rd traffic lights on 2 occations.
I was doing dead on 40mph as i have always done for 15 years of driving down that main rd or should i say dual carrage way!!!.
I could understand if i went through a red light but i didnt i was just doing the speed i always have done along there.
I would never expect to reduce to 30 on a dual carrage way unless there was road works, its just unheard of, im sooo f*****G mad about it as i now will have 6 flaming point on my licence.
I have always had the upmost respect for speed cameras but not no more.
Going to go and but some cans of spray paint!!!
Am i right in thinking they reduced the speed limit to 30 straight from 50? if so that insane.
I am thinking to protest and take it to court, has anyone had any success with there appeal

From a unhappy chappy :x



were you clocked at 40mph on both occasions you might qualify for a speed awareness course, check out pepipoo for more advise, what will the spray paint achieve


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I was so angre when i came home from work a few days ago and found not 1 but 2 letters from Central Ticket Offices saying i was exceeding the speed limit on Holes Bay Rd traffic lights on 2 occations.
I was doing dead on 40mph as i have always done for 15 years of driving down that main rd or should i say dual carrage way!!!.
I could understand if i went through a red light but i didnt i was just doing the speed i always have done along there.
I would never expect to reduce to 30 on a dual carrage way unless there was road works, its just unheard of, im sooo f*****G mad about it as i now will have 6 flaming point on my licence.
I have always had the upmost respect for speed cameras but not no more.
Going to go and but some cans of spray paint!!!
Am i right in thinking they reduced the speed limit to 30 straight from 50? if so that insane.
I am thinking to protest and take it to court, has anyone had any success with there appeal

From a unhappy chappy :x


Get in touch with Ian at Dorsetspeed and add your voice to his protest.

http://www.dorsetspeed.org.uk/news/sog.aspx


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I was just joking about the spray can thing by the way :censored:
I have already done a speed awareness course and i think you can only do it once
Will paul from dorset police waver my tickets?


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Ian wrote:
Update, 20 Jan 2011

I sent an email out recently asking if anyone would like to join me in a meeting with Pat Garrett – many thanks for the excellent response and other messages of support. Sadly, the meeting did not happen. As the meeting was only with Pat Garrett and his “team”, I was extremely doubtful that anything could be achieved. Although he was initially receptive to having a member of the public present, this changed as soon as I mentioned the possibility of inviting someone from the Bournemouth Echo. It also started to become clear that this was not an opportunity for us to present anything to him. So it was starting to look like a “dressed up” drivers awareness course, and I’d rather chew my own arms off than go to one of those.

In his initial invitation he said DRS have “nothing to hide”, funny how this seemed to change when I wanted a proper debate with the press present.

I also suggested that it would be good (following the dodgy evidence case at the greed on green) for drivers to ask for evidence retrospectively. I have now been contacted by a number of drivers who have told me they want to charge £23.60 for this! Rather than grasp the opportunity to be seen to be fair and to reassure the public that all is good, they are discouraging this. Surprise, surprise.

After all, there is some serious “arm twisting” to just plead guilty: "If the driver chooses not to accept the Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, the matter will be referred to the courts. If found guilty by a magistrate, the driver may have to pay court costs, plus up to the maximum penalty of £1000, receive between 3-6 points on their licence and possible disqualification.” hhttp://www.dorsetroadsafe.org.uk/index ... Itemid=130

I have asked them to provide the evidence for free, and will refer the matter to the information commissioner (who seems to be on the side of common sense) if they do not. Watch this space.

Finally, the 30 limit signs have been changed again at the greed on green. For pictures and more information, please see hhttp://www.dorsetspeed.org.uk/news/sog39.aspx

The 50 limit on the Dorset / Canford way seems to be the next probable opportunity for some kind of new “greed on green” style activity, watch out and let me know if you see anything!

Speed cameras in Dorset must surely be under the spotlight by now. If we keep the pressure on, we might see the end of this unfortunate era, as is happing in an increasing number of other counties now.

If you haven’t emailed me for a while, please let me know you’re still there, public support is what makes this work. All I'm doing really is just focusing the anger that I hear from the public in the right direction.

Cheers, Ian

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