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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 21:45 
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Village may 'adopt' speed camera after Oxfordshire cuts
Speed camera The council approved cuts of £13m, including road safety funding
An Oxfordshire village may adopt its own speed camera after the county council decided to axe them all.
Villagers in Nuneham Courtenay are worried drivers will flout the speed limit along the A4074 once cameras are scrapped in August.
The county council approved cuts of £13m, including road safety funding, which it can not afford.
Fay Benson, chairwoman of Nuneham Courtenay Parish Council, said it would have to raise £5,000 to go ahead.

'Backward step'
Council leaders want to save £600,000 from their road safety budget - money which would have been given to the Thames Valley Road Safety Partnership.

The partnership operates the county's 72 fixed and 89 mobile camera sites, but after the council backed the cuts it was agreed they would be withdrawn.
However, Ms Benson said there was an option for parish councils to take over the running of speed cameras in their areas.
"The camera is seen as our only deterrent for people speeding though the small village” she added.
"If as a parish council we can afford that and it's not unreasonable for us to be able to do we would certainly be very serious about looking into this."
The decision to axe the entire set of speed cameras has angered road safety groups which claims lives will be put at risk.
Ellen Booth, a campaigns officer for road safety charity Brake, said: "To get rid of them would be a backward step and we would really be risking people's lives."
We are not upset by this and we are a road safety group. I have sent out a PR last night so hopefully that will spread out well. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 23:03 
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Here's an idea! Why don't they adopt it, and then keep a share of the takings to "cover their running costs" ( :wink: ) and give the rest to central government?

Seriously, if they believe it's going to work and they're willing to pay for it, that's fine, but we'd need to see transparency in where any revenue went. In fact, why don't they do the job properly - buy the road it's on too and make it a private road, then they can set whatever speed limit they like - or even ban the evil, filthy motor car from their village altogether?!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 23:23 
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Mole wrote:
but we'd need to see transparency in where any revenue went.!


Transparency of revenues from CAMERAS - is anything Transparent where cameras are concerned - those concerned in the operation seem to live behind a veil that becomes more opaque by the day .

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 09:10 
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Impractical.

They would need a large "administrative tail" to manage the camera (service/empty film/process & issue tickets).

Unless they 'subbed' this out to a neighbouring partnership.


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If communities were allowed to fund their own speed cameras we might end up with prosperous little villages full of NIMBYs all having their own yellow box, but none in poorer areas. It would set an unfortunate precedent. But I imagine villagers would quickly get fed up of forking out £5000+ a year.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:41 
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PeterE wrote:
If communities were allowed to fund their own speed cameras we might end up with prosperous little villages full of NIMBYs all having their own yellow box, but none in poorer areas. It would set an unfortunate precedent. But I imagine villagers would quickly get fed up of forking out £5000+ a year.



I thought these things were cash cows?

You expect them to be able to keep the revenue from fines right?

They'd be quids in surely catching drivers committing a criminal act by speeding through their village.


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weepej wrote:
PeterE wrote:
If communities were allowed to fund their own speed cameras we might end up with prosperous little villages full of NIMBYs all having their own yellow box, but none in poorer areas. It would set an unfortunate precedent. But I imagine villagers would quickly get fed up of forking out £5000+ a year.

I thought these things were cash cows?

If you look back over various postings that I and others have made on here you will realise that it has never been claimed that speed cameras were significant generators of revenue, except for Talivan operations when the hypothecation scheme was in force.

And under current funding arrangements the villagers wouldn't be able to offset the fine revenue against the operating costs anyway.

(you edited your post above while I was composing that reply, btw)

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weepej wrote:
PeterE wrote:
If communities were allowed to fund their own speed cameras we might end up with prosperous little villages full of NIMBYs all having their own yellow box, but none in poorer areas. It would set an unfortunate precedent. But I imagine villagers would quickly get fed up of forking out £5000+ a year.

I thought these things were cash cows?

You expect them to be able to keep the revenue from fines right?

They'd be quids in surely catching drivers committing a criminal act by speeding through their village.

As I say above, even if they were (I suspect fixed cameras generally aren't any more), the economy of scale of adopting a single camera would be prohibitive.

The only practical way of doing this would be to pay a neighbouring scam partnership to administer it for them. I'm not sureif the £5 mentioned is a one-off or what.

I don't know how far from the border of the county it is, let's say a 30 minute round trip from the nearest camera partnership base. I'm assuming the existing safety camera partnership will no longer exist.
Let's also say that the camera needs a thirty minute service visit twice a month by two staff (pure guesswork here).
Let's also say that it requires 5 man hours a month a Scam HQ to issue the tickets/develop the pictures/bank the cheques.

If the partnership was anything like my company (I'm being very ballpark, I know) they would carge about £30 an hour on average for these services, so they would charge £330.00 a month to look after the camera.

What percentage of the fines do we think the villagers might be allowed to keep? Any? 10%? 25%?

Let's say 10%. So in order for the villagers to break even the camera would have to ticket at the rate of £3,300. At £60 each, that's 55 tickets a month.

Some gatsos will make that, but I bet most don't.


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