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I see that the government have proposed this old chestnut again to go with the "continuous registration" we have with VED or SORN.

It is said that the registered keeper will have to ensure continuous insurance of the vehicle. It will be interesting to see how this works for leasing companies and motor dealers.

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Malcolm W.
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How will that work?. There is no legal requirement to insure a motor vehicle. It is the driver who must be insured. Whilst it is common practice for the driver's insurance to be limited to certain vehicles it is certainly not universal practice.

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

What I keep in my garage on private land is my business. If I want to use a car as a skip in my back garden that’s also my business. They’ll want to know what you do with your wife next, and how often.. It’s the usual British interference and busybodyness crap.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Could it perhaps be a well intentioned attempt to reduce the number of uninsured cars on the roads? And, AIUI, the authorities would be quite concerned if you murdered your wife daily

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

But that’s like forcing everyone to change their tyres at every MOT because ‘X’ number of drivers are caught each year with illegal tread depth, or forcing a zero alcohol limit on drivers because ‘X’ numbers cannot drink responsibly.

Why should the responsible and honest majority suffer for the dishonest minority? It’s always a sledgehammer to crack a nut and as someone here says, the road to a police state is paved with good intentions, or however the expression goes.

I had an old motorbike in a back garden for years with the intention of restoring it. I never got around to it and eventually sold it for restoration or spares. I can’t see the sense in insuring something like that, which was worth £30. (Well that’s what I got for it).

My ex wife is still alive BTW

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

This would require a redaft to the laws about insurance and mean changing from the driver to the vehicle being the insured. My guess would be that SORNed vehicles would be exempt from insurance. It would be useful at the same time to clear up the confusion (mentioned in another thread) about responsibility for the vehicle between the "owner", the "registered keeper", the "keeper" and the "regular driver" of the vehicle.

What would happen if a "joy rider" takes your car? At least then you would be secure in the knowledge that he would be insured and that anyone he injures would be compensated by your insurer at the cost of your NCB. You could then sue the miscreant in the civil courts for your loss. Or maybe not.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

That's not what she says

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Like to see the article ...

But if a vehicle is SORN then there is no need for insurance (on private property). I agree that this could be seen as constant income for DVLA and insurance companies sometimes un-necessarily when a vehicle is not being used. We should have the right to not use a vehicle and retain it without having to give money to the government to do so - shouldn't we?

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There are a few cases like that, which are legit. But many people who let their insurance lapse still drive around in the car. A small sacrifice by those who are legit might keep a lot of uninsured vehicles off the road. If you have a car, it should be insured, or undrivable (e.g. no wheels on it.) That way, you can put it in your garage, then take off the wheels and you're OK.

Everybody's happy!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12150923

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

I see to that a link here (Police number plate recognition camera rules tightened), to the further BBC article on ANPR and new restrictions on vehicle activity stored does appear that stricter controls are to be implemented. (Also a link here for "Uninsured drivers face crackdown" relating to the problem with uninsured drivers.)

If they only need certain numberplate recognition then why keep all the other data e.g do they keep a note of where I travel ? If so why, what could that possibly help them do ? so why not delete it immediately than retain it for 2 years !

If uninsured drivers are 'such' a real issue then why not take some of the fuel tax (since they have so much anyway), and make everyone covered 3rd party and the basic necessary coverage in case of damaging Council property. That way all this admin., questionable database, and questions over privacy are removed overnight.
Government link here to their 'Uninsured driving' status. Also the July 04 document "Uninsured Driving in the United Kingdom" - A report to the Secretary of State for Transport by Professor David Greenaway, University of Nottingham -here.
New Penalties from the start of 2011 here.

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So ,to keep a vehicle off road, SORN would be needed.Perhaps making it easier to spot dodgy vehicles if on road,allowing non police (possibly DVLA ETC) to take action. Could this be a way of controlling non legal vehicles when the axe is applied to police strengths, by outsourcing more vehicle control to contractors?
Or with the increase in decriminalisation areas ,is there some backroom move to give the council parking folks powers to enforce tax etc( as the old yellow perils used to ) -one on a percentage basis could prove a cheaper option than fleets of police vehicles .(always supposing that the vehicle documentation is in order)

Just looking at the foregoing ideas looking for hidden agendas, in a cynical way. After all we've had the "safety " regime making empires -why not the "tax avoidance" one .

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I do not know about your area, but in mine there are
dvla contractors doing the rounds clamping untaxed
vehicles parked on the roadside.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

I wonder if they do that in inner-city areas with a high "ethnic minority" population

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Or caravan sites.....

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What I was thinking about -remove yet more task from a police force under strain -especially a relatively minor one,with the proposed cutbacks .Should think any CC would look at it as a relief .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I think it is important to note the difference between "tax avoidance" and "tax evasion", avoidance is perfectly legal, evasion is not, we have an expert on this subject who posts here (whose initials are GS) could tell you much more about this though

Sorry about that -though in the present climate ,official opinion seems to class avoidance as evasion( unless you're an HON Member)

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

They do say a letter will be the first point of call, not a local company. I wonder if they are a scam ?
Got any more details - have you noticed their contact details if they leave any ?

It is scary finding out last year from a reliable source that only (if I recall correctly) 12% of Court cases are dealt with by a jury, 55% of convictions are by non-police personnel in any one year!
As a society we have quite significantly moved away from the police handing out the enforcing majority of 'errors'. (I do assume that police included Court representatives.)

As these laws take effect more people are turning small front gardens into private off-road car park areas, which increase the flood risk to some areas as water absorption ground facilities are reduced.

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