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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:57 
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Herald Sun here
Herald Sun - Paul Tatnell, Mark Buttler wrote:
Schoolgirl Erin McKernan sinks EastLink speed camera fine
From: Herald Sun - Paul Tatnell, Mark Buttler - September 06, 2011 12:00AM

Crucial evidence came from high school student Erin McKernan, who was in the police car at the time on work experience. Herald Sun

Senior Constable Faye Pitman had her speeding fine dismissed. Picture: Mark Smith Herald Sun
THE State Government has sought a briefing on possible legal ramifications for speeding fines after a policewoman beat one of Melbourne's most hated speed cameras.
Rosebud Senior Constable Faye Pitman used the evidence of a 16-year-old work experience student to raise enough doubt that she had been travelling at the clocked speed of 106 km/h along the notorious EastLink stretch.

The EastLink cameras have angered scores of drivers who claim they have been unfairly fined.
But until yesterday no one managed to have an infringement overturned.
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Sen-Constable Pitman, a 20-year police officer, was in tears after the charge was dismissed.
The crucial evidence came from high school student Erin McKernan, who was in the police car at the time on work experience.
Ms McKernan, now 18, told the court she looked at the car's speedometer just before reaching the Dandenong bypass, where the camera was mounted.
She said the marked police car had been travelling at 95-96 km/h. Sen-Constable Pitman said she had been doing 98km/h.

Magistrate Gerard Bryant threw out the case, despite prosecutor Rob Taylor's argument that tests on the speed camera showed it was accurate and that evidence from Sen-Constable Pitman was "slight and unconvincing".
Police Association secretary Greg Davies said the decision to dismiss the fine could open avenues for other drivers.
Legal experts agreed the surprise victory could open the floodgates.
Prosecutors have not ruled out an appeal, but the Herald Sun believes it is unlikely.
Police Minister Peter Ryan was on the back foot last night.
"In light of today's ruling, I have sought a briefing from Victoria Police and the Department of Justice as to how this decision relates to the current legislative framework," he said.
Legal experts and police officers said the case would be a launching pad for others.
"This could open Pandora's Box for everyone else," one officer said.
Barrister and traffic law expert Michael Kuzilny said it would have significant ramifications.
"It's a really great thing. Previously, it has been impossible for people to prove that they weren't speeding," he said.
"It means there will be a floodgate opening of people challenging, and many, many more people and angry drivers questioning their fines."
Barrister Theo Alexander said the decision would likely "embolden many motorists who have been charged in similar circumstances to challenge their speeding fine".
A colleague said Sen-Constable Pitman was regarded as a careful driver who did not speed.
"She's like Driving Miss Daisy - that's why everyone's been on her side."
Perhaps if more independent witnesses state their case it will help to show that speed cameras are not as good as they would like to have everyone believe! Appalling that there is not a fool-proof system in place to demonstrate accuracy or the lack therefor. In fact why are there not 'double systems' in place? If they want to prove technical offences why shouldn't there be regular obvious (public) double checks? What about a VAS (or as otherwise known as SID (System Indicator Detector or Device)) prior to every speed camera ?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 18:47 
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Even VAS are not always accurate, I have even had one showing my speed as mph but actually giving kph reading.


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Really ! That is very unusual! Have you reported it ... yet ? I certainly would as that is very bad.
I'd like to see them all purely provide a numeric reference than any other symbols (unless for bends etc), and that they only activate a few mph above the posted speed and never before then (e.g 10% +2) ...

A bit of a follow up story here :
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/edi ... 6130875512

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Herald Sun - Paul Tatnell, Mark Buttler wrote:
The EastLink cameras have angered scores of drivers who claim they have been unfairly fined.
But until yesterday no one managed to have an infringement overturned.


Here we go again, one law for us (Police etc.) and a completely different one for all youse common scumbags wot always tells nothin but a pack o lies.

Until a Police officer says it, nobody else gets listened to, why is that??? ... from personal experience I know for a fact Police officers are quite capable of lying through their teeth!!

I'd bet my mortgage an ordinary member of the public using the same evidence and arguments in defense would not produce the same result.

I'd bet my mortgage the same Police officer wouldn't have any qualms about insisting on prosecuting anybody else on the same evidence as was presented in her case ... would she have believed any members of the public that said they were not speeding? I VERY much doubt it!

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