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Some good points and advice.
I am not sure that many drivers will know 'how' to ensure that a horse can see you though when you might catch up to the animal on the roads! It is also not 'taller' vehicles that give the problem but the noisier vehicles and their physical size is much scarier for horses (potentially) !

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Maybe the time has come to MOT horses ?
Adequate braking capability ?
Steering gear in good order ?
Putting sarcasm aside, maybe it is time to consider limiting roads that the animals are allowed onto ?
If any.

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Given the weather outlook, not a lot of "driving heat" likely in the near future. Saw a temperature of 9°C on the car thermometer this lunchtime

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With a mention of frost forecast for the May bank holiday. And don't forget all that drought we're having at the moment .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Yep and indeed !
Perhaps they are just hoping that if they say it will be 'summer' the weather will improve. After all for 2 yrs now Eat Anglian has announced a drought and then it pours with rain - even during the announcement. It has been raining for nearly 2 weeks, they admit it will take time for the water levels to rise and yet still retain the hose pipe ban for most! Self water supplies and suppliers are becoming extremely popular the higher they charge for a each drop !

Animals on the Road : The tendency is though that people who own animals rarely take them onto (or cross) roads - unless there is little or no alternative, because of their unpredictable nature.
All limitations would do is to hand out authoritative notices, and be a whole extra admin headache for (who) police to enforce and for what benefit ?
When you train a horse/pony etc to learn about the roads you usually do so on the quieter ones with only occasional vehicles, (with traffic-sound horses), then also try to place them in paddocks near to roads, to teach them that traffic is not typically scary. But you need to go out to help the horse learn - there is no easy way around it.
Once non scared, it is down to the character of the animal, if they will ever react to anything scary or not. Most won't be jumpy or nervous, but some will and those who are, are (usually) rarely ever taken out, as it is just too dangerous to risk it.
If a horse 'passed a test' and they do already exist, it doesn't mean it is 'solved' because it is just one of those unknowns. There are all sorts of courses for people who deal with horses and horse groups, and that I think does help to ensure that people try to keep the situations under control. By using people who have learned some levels of differing and growing competencies that does make situations far safer.

But a fair question ...

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The hose-pipe-ban/limitations of use, exist NOT because of a shortage of water, but a shortage of places to store same, and higher use.
5 years ago it was decided that new storage was needed, and five reservoirs were planned. One has been done. The others are suffering from a surfeit of planning/political objections, not least from greens and the EU (both of who do not want more storage but less use)
Quite simply, politics is going to be the dirtying of us !
Weather ?
Oh well, saves me 35 quid to get the air-con serviced....

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

But then , it's as said about driving competencies. Keep away from those you're not happy on till you feel you are confident to use them . Same with other road users. We're all road users, and the SAFETY of all is the responsibility of all .It's time for the divisive groups to shut up, and amalgamate to seek a united front for road safety . Animals are an unknown quantity on the roads, and need to be given lots of respect and room .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

The temp was 5deg today ! brrr

Yes we must all be responsible and careful on the road.

I didn't know all that about the Euro re water - sadly not a surprise but do you have any links for that please?

They showed recently the 'half full' resivoirs but then they are allowing much water to go to Essex as they said they had ample ! ?? (but not for the whole year) It seems that they want to stockpile a years water !
There does seem to be (potentially) a massive amount of social 'marketing' or control going on !

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Nipped out in the car yesterday morning and it beeped at me. Being a modern car, it does that for a whole host of reasons, but a quick glance at the dash showed the ice warning flashing! 3.5 degrees!!!

Agree with Jom on the reservoir front. No real investment in infrastructure to keep pace with population growth AND a failure to even maintain the infrastructure the Victorians paid for (which was eminently suitable for their population and then some)!

We really don't learn the lessons do we? The rail netowrk? Hatfield crash.

The water distribution system...

It is much worse than that Mole.
No real investment that matches the rapid population growth due to births AND an immigrant intake.
London alone has nearly a half million French citizens living/working there.
But: The lack of investment is more than matched by the torrential downpour of lies from all concerned. If lies were water in reservoirs, we would have nowhere to live.
So for conflict of interest we have the met orifice....
The Chairman of the Met Office is Robert Napier
A Non-Executive Director of Anglian Water.
The former Chief Executive of WWF-UK, the UK arm of the World Wide Fund for Nature.
That's the same WWF featured HERE
It's all about money, OUR money to THEM...

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_empire

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Thanks.
This link here (Canada's Water) is most interesting too ... I am sure someone said "When you have control over water, you have control over life itself" or something very similar. (There is a hint of it in this article but not precisely.)

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