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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:22 
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As my local parish council is obsessed by CSW, continually have this subject on their Agendas and cannot get enough volunteers to run it, I have sent the letter below to them. I thought you might be amused.

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I feel that I must write to you to outline my objections to the continued concentration on "speeding" and CSW by the Parish Council. I refer to the PC minutes of 15th August and the full page "advertisement" in the September edition of Steeple and Street.

Firstly, in my opinion, there is little or no problem with speeding in the village anyway so the time spent on this subject might be better directed elsewhere.

Secondly, CSW is a fundamentally flawed concept for reasons which I will outline below.

1. The CSW scheme is simplistic as it can only report people who, allegedly, have exceeded the speed limit. No mention is made of the prime issue which is safety. It is possible to be acting in a dangerous manner while below the limit or be perfectly safe at over the posted limit (which may well be improperly set).

In my opinion, the parking outside the school in Common Road in the morning and afternoon is far more of a hazard then someone marginally over the limit on the wider A27 which has good sightlines.

2. As I understand it, vehicles said to be exceeding the speed limit on repeated occasions may be reported to the local police for possible further action. Clearly, those repeatedly recorded will most likely be local people as these will be the only ones using the roads regularly. Will volunteers really report their next door neighbours or their friends? Not very communitaire is it? Setting one villager against another is not what is needed.

I seem to recall that when the police used a mobile enforcement camera in the village most people caught marginally over the limit were locals and some of them were taking their children to school or elsewhere.

3. CSW is a fair weather activity. Who is going to volunteer to stand outside at 11:00 pm on a cold and wet night in December to monitor the handful of cars which come along at that time of night? Maybe the supporters of CSW only think inappropriate speed is dangerous on nice summer days.

In summary, these CSW schemes were invented as a sop to pacify residents who persistently bother the police (and Councillors) with vague claims of "speeding" where there is little issue. They are a waste of time and I would discourage people from taking part.

Turning to CATG, you ask if there is anything which would make things easier in Whiteparish. I am not sure that these are within the remit of CATG but the three things which would, in my opinion, help the village are:

- An off-road parking area outside the school in Common Road.
- Parking provision near the Village shop.
- Resurfacing of the huge potholes in Common Road near the surgery.

I hope that these notes will be of interest even if they are in opposition to the Parish Council's usual views.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 14:15 
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Nice :) & :clap:

I'm sure it'll fall on deaf ears though, as these things always do with'their' type of mentality. ((Or mental illness).

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 07:24 
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Well said, Malcolm.

Best wishes all,
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 19:03 
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The only amusing thing about that letter is the thought of your foolish smugness after sending it and the laughter of those receiving it.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 19:31 
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Well, they'll need to do something to keep them warm when they're freezing their bits off in the pouring rain, wondering which of their neigbours to grass-up next. I guess laughing will be as good as anything!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 20:49 
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GreenShed wrote:
The only amusing thing about that letter is the thought of your foolish smugness after sending it and the laughter of those receiving it.

Seems to be the response of any on that side of the fence to a suggestion of looking at a problem from a different view . DO this lot of geriatrics really care about road safety ,or is to persade traffic to go another day . I always get worried when this lot stop moving for more than a few seconds :D :wink:
Out there ,this might just happen,as temperature drops .

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 16:30 
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Well, the latest on this is that they are going ahead with this scheme as they say that the new Police and Crime Commissioner is keen to increase funding for these types of schemes. I despair of these people never using their critical thinking skills to see what is happening.

In the past, the Chief Constable (unelected) decided, on the basis of evidence, the best way to allocate resources to promote road safety. Community Speedwatch does not fall into this category and so was not well funded.

Now, the elected PCC, mindful of people voting for him next time round, seeks to buy votes by supporting CSW even though it has no impact on safety. It reminds me of the thinking displayed by "Something must be done. This is something. Let's do it."

I feel I should write to the local councillors to point out how naive they are.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 20:56 
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Another way, malcolmw is to apply to serve on the PCC side as something like a community champion or observer . Can't remember the exact title but it was mentioned on a NHW memo some time ago . I thought of applying if for no other reasons than to wake up policing round here and try to mention other road safety schemes .

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