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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050609/17/fkq7m.html



Priceless.....

Just goes to show...the SCPs keep on screwing up

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Speed camera policy Kills

If what is inferred and implied in the linked article is completely true, then the so called "Safety Camera Partnership", has let every single one of us down, terribly.

Frothing at the mouth and in disbelief that someone could go past well in excess of double the speed limit has had all of them in such a frenzy of excitement that not one of them could follow the correct procedures laid down in law to take this lunatic off of the roads!

At the end of the day, if they scrapped the "Camera Partnerships" and invested more money in real police officers (who can judge quite well what is and isn't "appropriate" given the circumstances and conditions), this 'driver' would have been caught at the time and given the verbal NIP and would no doubt have deserved everything coming to him.

These people know how to filch money off of ordinary people who 'technically' break the law - yet they can't actually do anything about someone who by all accounts desperately deserves to lose his driver's licence for a very long time AND have a holiday at HM's pleasure.

I could scream!

Just by way of balance. When the 70 limit was introduced what level of performance did you (I wasn't around ) get? Yer Morris minor would be on, or very nearly on it's knees at 70. Anything that will do 156 is a fast piece of gear and could well be limited if it's built by zee Germans. So from an engineering point of view is 70 in a Moggie any better than 156 in a new 7 Series? Mobile phones and road conditions permitting....

I think the key quote is



But surely we are told that we are all a menace to others when we exceed the numbers on the lollipops. Perhaps this Sheriff aint so dumb.

i'm sure the 7 i drove had a phone built in..... so if his didn't then he was had

Maybe he was picking the wax out of his ear......its an easy mistake to make.....

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Speed camera policy Kills

No matter what he was doing, it would have been prudent to have both hands on the wheel at those sort of speeds.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Are we not forgetting..innocent untill PROVED guilty.

It looke like everyone here is falling into the trap of thinking that just because someone was accured of something that they actualy did it....shame on you all...

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Speed camera policy Kills

You are quite right of course, so I shall have edited my post to cover a NOTIONAL case.

I think what this does prove is that in the rarest of rare times when the 'safety cameras partnerships' could justify thier "raison d'etre", they really couldn't organise a piss-up at a brewery.

Isn't the BMW M5 electronically limited to 155? Also that limiter will be based off readings from the gearbox so will be subject to the same overreading as the speedo is. It's probably pretty accurate on a BMW but chances are he only really has a top speed of 152 or so, depending on tread depth.

Camera overreading, or do you reckon he's had the limiter removed? (I think this requires an ECU flash on the BMWs)

Or slightly less low profile tyres on the wheels (but that would be very dangerous)

Not all BMWs are speed limited. It is only a requirement in Germany.

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Speed camera policy Kills

So far I have seen "7 series" and M5 but in fact the car was an M3 CSL which can be purchased without a speed limiter from the factory on request.

The speedo on this car would most likely be accurate to within a couple of mph even at that speed because it uses a sensor in the rear diff which monitors the axle revolutions. In this way you can change the rear diff ratio and still have an accurate speedo.

AFAIAC I have no problem with the speed provided it was on a clear motorway as those cars are incredibly stable at any speed up to the maximum the car is capable of, whether limited or not.

Just think about it, only a small distance away he could be doing that speed for hours without breaking any laws and with a high degree of safety and yet because he was breaking a speed limit it is automatically supposedly "dangerous". The speed may well have been dangerous but if the motorway was clear and the weather was fine it was not necessarily dangerous at all.

He still deserved to be booked for speeding but NOT for dangerous driving without corroborative evidence from a police officer.

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Ross

Yes I'm a hoon, but only on the track!!!!

It isn't a motorway, it's a two lane dual carriageway and it wasn't clear. It was a Sunday afternoon and the scamera van was picking off motorists who were putting their foot down after a nightmare journey through the Forth Road Bridge roadworks. Putting your foot down is one thing, 156mph is taking the wee-wee. Even if the road was otherwise empty he failed to notice a little white van and react accordingly.

156mph, whatever the capabilities of the car and driver, is too fast and anybody who defends these speeds devalues the argument against speed enforcement.

I think somebody was bought in this case. I can say that, if Mr Klos takes issue I'll just say that somebody must have been using my PC when I wasn't looking.

It's interesting to note that Fife Police have been using the antisocial behaviour laws to confiscate vehicles from boy racers for much less, even if the owner wasn't driving.

Like when the Police do 159 to test the vehicles on public roads... the Police obviously think it is OK to do those kind of speeds.

So are you saying the Police devalues speed enforcement...

Anyway the point is HE WAS NOT FOUND GUILTY.

So why is everyone getting so excited...

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Speed camera policy Kills

I would say that the case you mention does, yes.

I'm getting excited because that idiot lives quite near me. I drive on that road regularly and I'll be taking my children on it tonight. I don't want to share it with somebody who's above the law.

You're both right, gentlemen.... let's not argue amongst ourselves!!!

Maybe if we had more "real" policing then those who drive like idiots get taken off the road. If this guy had been stopped and cautioned on the spot this would not have happened. Try and automate justice and you automate the mistakes.

This is one reason why the reliance on cameras keep the roads safe is so fundamentally flawed.

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Speed camera policy Kills

I agree 1000%. Time for the re-introduction of BiB who can exercise 'discretion' either way, eh?

Beautifully put Gizmo.

One for the possible soundbites file Paul?

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