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 Post subject: BBC Radio 2 today
PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 18:05 
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Today there was a discussion on BBC Radio 2 on the Jeremy Vine show about them rolling out the speed awarness courses nationwide.
It has the manager from the Lancs Speed group and Brunstrom on it. I've not listened to it as a customer rang just as it was starting.

You can listen to it again from http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/ and select listen again Monday. If I remember correctly it should be only a few minutes into the show starting.


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Yeah I listened to it today. Have to say it was very one sided. They usually have two guests with opposing views and sometimes there can be an enjoyable ding-dong. But this time everyone agreed that speed is the root of all evil, even the callers, but I bet their were a fair bit of screening to make sure nobody dared challenge the legend that is Brunstrom.

Anyone hear the caller who said he only learned the SC NSL limit for cars is 60mph after he went on the course? :roll:


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Still, given the option of the course or points, I'd take the course, keep my head down and my gob shut, and pretend to take it all in.


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I always listen to your show and was wondering if you intend doing anything on the speed camera issue. Are they there for safety or revenue? As the UK death rate seems to be rising and so does the amount of money being made by these partnerships, I have to opt for the latter. I am sure it will raise some very interesting debate and I would be happy to give you some names of people who have dug very well into this issue and are very knowledgeable.

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I was screaming at the radio, Brunstrom stated he wanted to educate, be open and above board.
Yet, in todays Daily Mail, there was an article about N Wales Police dressing up in Black uniforms, and slipped in there was a snippet about Brunstrom ordering his officers to hide behind walls with their hand held speed guns.

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Dratsabasti wrote:
I was screaming at the radio, Brunstrom stated he wanted to educate, be open and above board.
Yet, in todays Daily Mail, there was an article about N Wales Police dressing up in Black uniforms, and slipped in there was a snippet about Brunstrom ordering his officers to hide behind walls with their hand held speed guns.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH


Officers working for one of Britain's most controversial police chiefs are to wear uniforms which critics say make them look more like members of a paramilitary organisation.

Instead of the traditional white shirt and tie, policemen and women on patrol in North Wales are to be kitted out in black combat trousers and matching black roll-neck tops.

The blackshirted look has already been attacked as intimidatory, coming as it does from the force where Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom has admitted making his officers hide behind walls and road signs with hand-held devices to catch speeding motorists.

David Jones, Tory MP for Clwyd West, said: "It would give a sinister, unfriendly appearance to the police, which is exactly the opposite of what the police should be.

"I think the connotations of black shirts are obvious to anybody. They've got a kind of fascist, militaristic appearance.

"It may be appropriate for a police force in some tinpot central American dictatorship, but it certainly doesn't belong on the streets of places like Colwyn Bay and Ruthin."

'Them and us mentality' Elfyn Llwyd, Plaid Cymru MP for Meirionnydd Nant Conwy, warned that the uniforms would undermine relations between police and communities and foster a "them and us" mentality. "If people don't feel comfortable approaching the police it will be a big pity," he added. "And anyone who knows anything about history would be wary of wearing official black shirts."

But Mr Brunstrom, whose force spent thousands of pounds investigating anti-Welsh comments by Anne Robinson and is now looking into similar remarks allegedly made by Tony Blair, is determined to push the changes through.

He has already been dubbed "king of speed cameras", with his officers once issuing 4,200 speeding tickets in a month.

The new uniforms feature lightweight black combat trousers with pockets for notebooks and other small items, black boots and black roll-neck tops.

All male and female officers on patrol will wear the outfits, similar to those already being worn by police in Scotland's largest force, Strathclyde, from the New Year. A decision over what headgear officers will wear has yet to be made.

Senior officers are likely to stick to a shirt and tie.

Along with forces all over the country, North Wales Police have been trying out new uniforms, with benefits said to include greater comfort in hot and cold weather and ease of wearing body armour over the top.

A spokesman for the force said: "The new roll-neck tops have received a lot of support from officers in the field.

"They are considerably more practical than the current system of shirts and ties.

"Combat trousers have been available to officers for some time. Times have changed and it is only reasonable that the uniforms should move with the times."

Rank and file officers support the new look. Richard Eccles, secretary of the North Wales Police Federation, said: "There has been no adverse reaction from the public so far and the officers love the idea.

"A dress shirt and a tie is great in the office but does not really suit the action police officers often face nowadays."

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After reading millsee’s post I can see why our dear Mr Brunstrom is going, and I don’t suspect he went of his own accord. I just did a spell check on his name it came up as Brainstorm.

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The hysteria over the change of the Police uniforms would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. The new uniforms as worn by Strathclyde's finest are perfectly acceptable, and seem a lot more practical from where I'm sitting.

It's just as easy to spot a copper now as when they used the old uniforms and they are no less approachable, IMO.

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Those chaps in the photo look a little limp wristed to me. Is this the modern face of the village people or something?

Seriously though, as far as i'm concerned, it's whatever is more comfortable in catching the bad guys. As we don't see many 'real' Policeman anymore, how would it make them more or less approachable.


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And courtesy of Ernest - the nitty gritty of what to expect on the Lancs course can be found in this thread:



http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4239


Our lurkers should enjoy! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Dixie wrote:
After reading millsee’s post I can see why our dear Mr Brunstrom is going, and I don’t suspect he went of his own accord. I just did a spell check on his name it came up as Brainstorm.


I always thought it was spelt like a famous pickle - all vegetables and sauce, with a little spice.


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