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I passed a traffic info sign at the end of the M65 today and yesterday.

Usually it has some Dft slogan - "Dont drink and drive", "Wear your seatbelt" or even details of Preston Park and Ride

Yesterday and today the mesage simply said "It's 30 for a reason".

What reason would that be, as the limit on that road is 50mph ? Talk about misleading

The M65 ends, then there's a short stretch of dual carriageway with a 50 limit. 3 roads off the next roundabout, all NSL duals, so perhaps the Highways Agency can tell why they put that message there?

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What I can not understand how the speed limits are set in the first place. There must be some process with a foundation of science and a set of criteria. I know of roads where for the majority of the day, and night 30 mph is too fast yet it is signed 40mph. Other roads signed at 30mph, good nicking spot for the bib two motorbikes often around if you know where to look but 40mph would be quite safe.

Knowing the bib lurk I drive at 30mph or 1 - 3 plus and most of the time some twit will be up my back end. Which is more stupid me for sticking to the limit and the twits who set them?

Don't know about other parts of the country - last june - i drove through a village that used to be 40 --it merged into another that also was 40 .Must admit i did not see the lower limit - but got a bit suspicious when i noticed the marks on the lamp posts where the repaeters used to be - so i dropped to 30.And sure enough at the end wasa 40 sign.
Ok - says i - possibly during the day it might warrant a lower limit and numpty could be posing a problem - drivinfg at 38 , saying "i'm not breaking the limit -i'm safe ,when in fact with kids around/ parked cars/vans/milk floats and old codgers on bikes a safer speed might be 25.
Then a little bit down the road - same sort of situation - the limit is (as has been for yonks) 40 - still kids milling around/ parked cars /old codgers on bikes( for the PC brigade -and those lurking off C+ ,LET ME STATE THAT I HARBOUR NO ILL WILL TOWARD ELDERLY GENTS ON BIKES WEAVING ABOUT ON THE ROAD) (BEEP BEEP) .
However this sort of situation is ludicrous - and stands as an inditment tothe lack of sanity on local limits.
Last week , parked on the grass ( a little distance down from a "keep off the grass "sign )was a talivan , on its little concrete podium.

Now me - i'm wonderng how talivan drivers get a job with deficient eyesight - perhaps it's time to ask a traffic officer to test their eyesight

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They used to be done on a more sensible and consistent basis, according to these government guidelines. However, in the early 1990s, responsibility for speed limit setting was devolved to local councils, resulting in all manner of ludicrous, inconsistent, politically-motivated nonsense. There is no mandatory requirement to conform to any kind of criteria.

There are still a handful of roads around where 40s or even NSLs seem inappropriately high, but they are now vastly outnumbered by those where the limits are ridiculously low.

Guess which of these is a 30, and which an NSL?

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kendalian - we are talking Lancs .... perhaps someone hit the wrong button for the display message...




Councils - made up of politically correct nerds..

However - for a so-called fast tracker "career cop" - am as un-pee-cee as they mould 'em! I says what I think! Not what I am told to think - within reason and with - ahem - some discretion - ahem.. cough.



Oooh .. you speed freak... No probs with the + 3 here - but keep to + 2 elsewhere ... like - er .. Wales, Lancs, Cambs, Northhants, Cumbria .... and if you come to good old Durham - please drive to COAST! As you are new ...

Concentrate
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The long version is on here somewhere - but you'll stumble across lots of good past debates - to do with dealing with tailgaters and so on..



and by the way

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Is an NSL or a 30?

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I see a 'system of street lighting' but no repeaters in both, so surely both 30 - unless said lighting is too tall in one or the other, which I can't tell.

I think the urban DC ist the 30 mph... based on experience of driving through LanCASH££re where these were once 50 mph und are now 30 mph...

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NSL! 30 for the DC with good separation, (minus the burgundy van tailgating the white one!).

I'm puzzled though - what is the lane for where the picture was taken from?
I can see the start of some zig-zag lines in the bottom right corner, so is it a crossing point?? There is also the shadow of a lamp standard in the centre median - which seems on it's own - if there are more they a re a long way down.
There are also the BACKS of lots of signs for the oncoming traffic.

How do the posters here feel about the French system, where the village/town nameplate IS the speed limit marker?
Any village is then automatically limited - and even smaller hamlets can have a 70 KPH limit simply by placing a BLACK nameplate with white letters.

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As raised on another thread, is the key the white line mark space ratio?

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Picture 1 is a 30 limit, on the A34 Handforth/Wilmslow bypass at Stanley Green, south of Stockport.

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi? ... 000&icon=x

As discussed on another thread, the limit has been reduced to 30 here to protect a Pelican crossing on the exit from a roundabout, from where the picture is taken. You can just about see the 50 signs in the distance (the whole lot was originally NSL). A much shorter 40 would have been more than sufficient, IMV.

Picture 2 is NSL, on the B5159 at Broomedge, near Lymm.

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi? ... 000&icon=x

(just north of the crossroads)

It's a short built-up stretch that obviously nobody has ever got round to applying a lower limit to.

Here are two more clearly-marked apparent NSL anomalies:



(on the main A56 at Broomedge)



(on the A6 at Over Hulton, near Bolton)

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Bursledon Road in Southampton, indeed the whole A3024 has a ridiculous and inconsistent limit. Most of the road (between the city centre and Thornhill (the Jewson tower block) to be precise) has a painfully slow 30mph limit, even though the road is mostly D2 and partly S2 (with room for a full size bike lane uphill). Between Thornhill and the city boundary the limit rises to 40mph. OK, outbound this occurs at the start of a D2 section, but then the road narrows to its narrowest point, and the properties along one side of the road are immediately next to the pavement (no verge).

On numerous occasions I have put forward my arguement for a sensible 40mph limit, but the council discarded my ideas. One time they told me that most accidents occur within 20m of a junction, so I suggested closing as many minor side roads as possible, and creating pleasant cul-de-sacs for children to play in. The council rejected this. They have actually closed a couple of side turnings, although one is closed halfway along for some "clever" reason.

Now they plan on using one lane from all D2 sections for a bus lane. Can't they see the current congestion? Well, obviously not, as it occurs for most of the time outside the windows of the council offices and they haven't identified a problem.

Do you have any accident figures for that stretch of road?

It would be interesting to know whether having NSL rather than 30 actually makes the road more dangerous, or (as I suspect) most drivers are sensible enough to drive at well below 60 on a road like that, whilst not having to worry about their speedo.

My guess is that that stretch of the B5159 does not carry enough traffic to make a scamming operation financially worthwhile.

If it was, removing those repeaters in the middle of the night, making the road 30mph under the streetlights rule, then hiding a Talivan behind that bus stop would be too much of a temptation for them to resist.

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