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Whilst out driving today, I was near a known Tallivan site which is placed in the middle of a 30mph zone at the bottom of a winding hill opposite a t-junction, outside a pub.
At the top of the hill, a young man was stood, waving at motorists and holding up a makeshift sign, which read 'Slow down - 10 mph Max - Road Safety Hazard 200 metres Ahead'.
I duly cut my speed and there, on the apex of a near-blind right-hander at the bottom of the hill, was the Tallivan - with everyone passing at 10 mph! As I drove further, an equal distance on the other side was another young man with a similar sign attracting the attention of the oncoming traffic.
On my return, I decided to find out who they were, but both sign-wavers and Tallivan had gone...
This was a completely indefensible and flagrant breach of the law, but the look on the TalliWanker's face as he sat in his little Tallivan watching traffic crawling past his little tax-camera was worth a Lotto win!

Whoever you were, you were very, very naughty boys and I'm sure that your mums would sting your legs if they found out what you had done!

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Aquila



Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

If they are specifically warning of a speed trap, then it is illegal, but it is very questionable whether simply warning of a hazardous stretch of road is illegal.

If their signs said "30 mph max - hazardous road" then the authorities wouldn't have a leg to stand on, given that that is the speed limit.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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if only there were more of these motoring community minded people around we would have far less death and carnage on our roads.

keep up the good work I say!!

On a serious note, what would happen to the Talivans if more people carried out such valuable services to motorists???

They'd stop making so much money... And maybe they would give up...

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Mike

Some old boy got done for exactly the same thing a couple of years back, he got nicked and his punishment was to be disqualified from driving (even though he wasn't behind the wheel when he was doing it)

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

What do you suppose they would do if he didn't have a licence?

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Same as they do for the under age "twoccers" at a guess, disqualify them from obtaining a license for X years

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

I dont think it is a breech of the law. There was a land mark decision a little while back that went all the way to the Lords.

Besides the tallivan would be clearly marked with its "i'm a speed camera" livery and there probably would have been a permenant camera sign on that stretch of road. So even if it were proved the kid's intentions were to alert other motorists of the tallivan how could anyone claim obstruction or perverting the course of justice had occured when the camera is not covert in nature already clearly marked? The authorities have already alerted motorists to the presence of a speed camera, any action by a third party would only serve to reinforce that message.

I think the Lords in their also mentioned in their adjudication that the police perhaps should have apprectiated the efforts of another road user to slow traffic down.

"T2006- and there probably would have been a permenant camera sign on that stretch of road. "

unfortunatly there is so many camera signs up that you would be hard pressed to decide which is real and which is fake, as they often bear no relation to a camera within a reasonable distance (200yds for instance).
covering these signs should be compusory , and uncovered if a talivan is operating within the 200yds .

as an aside , one village i drive throught every day has 8 signs and 2 cameras, one each end of the village, totally destroying the picturesque street ambiance

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Brian of Plymouth
When will the government realise , that to err is only human, to be perfect is to be GOD.

The point I was trying to make was the presence of a speed camera was already indicated by the sinage, irrespective of how well this was done. The signs must also therefore be guilty of obstruction or perverting the course of justice.

Agreed

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Brian of Plymouth
When will the government realise , that to err is only human, to be perfect is to be GOD.

Aren't we missing the obvious?
The alleged intention of "Safety" Camera Partnerships is to slow motorists down. If they are catching people speeding, they are not working.
Two boys with signs ARE slowing them down.

Therefore, the score is "Safety Partnerships" 0, Enterprising boys 1 and all done a lot cheaper too!

However let's not forget, did the road warrant either of them being there?
Was the accident history caused by SPEED? Or was it chavs on phones?

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

All this propaganda SCPs spout about just wanting to slow people down, and not wanting to catch and fine motorists. The hippocrites appear to be the first ones to complain when people actually do slow down.

And just let anyone rock thier boat if they try to escape justice by going to court and fighting the scam

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Brian of Plymouth
When will the government realise , that to err is only human, to be perfect is to be GOD.

I had a chat with a 'friendly' BiB mate of mine and he reckoned that the most they could be done for was some form of Public Nuisance by distracting drivers from concentrating on the road.

Whilst discussing this, he told me about a visit he and his mate had to the Old Bailey to give evidence a while ago. There was a strong BiB presence and several cars were parked at the side of the building (a Permit Area). Two of Ken's finest were busily issuing tickets...
Walking a bit further round, he found their 'Little Tenk' double-parked, so he phoned in and got a tow-truck out and dragged their van off to the pound. He had to be in Court before they returned, but wished he could be there to see them return to empty space!

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Aquila



Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

Hoist by their own petard, I think thats the saying isn't it.

Beautiful, just beautiful

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Semper in excreta, nur quantitat variat.

It's very simple, as far as I'm concerned:

If the aim of the Cash Machine Partnerships is to get people to slow down, then anyone warning motorists of a mobile scamera is helping them to do their job.

If, on the other hand, the aim of the Cash Machine Partnerships is to extract as much money as possible from road users then anyone warning motorists of a mobile scamera is preventing them from doing their job.

QED

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