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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manc ... 145368.stm

This just shows the lengths sad speeders will go to.
Let me repeat it quite clearly: there is something wrong with you.
Most people don't find it necessary to buy radar detectors, speed camera detectors, or to move speed limit signs, because they don't speed!

No doubt this charming man's adrenalin hits him as soon as he gets into his car, he starts raging inside, and really needs to grow up. With idiots like this on our roads, no wonder thousands of innocent people are murdered each year by moronic drivers who can't drive properly, nor within the speed limits.

He should be banned for life, since he is clearly a potential MURDERER.

Take a good look at his face. What a relaxed, caring person he looks like! I just can't imagine him sitting behind the wheel fuming, can you? I just can't imagine him overtaking dangerously, tailgating, or being incredibly selfish, can you? I expect he's a doctor, or a dentist, or a 'professional', so therefore everything he does is okay.

By the way, I'm getting some cameras mounted in my car in the next few weeks, I will let you know how many drivers I've got banned by the end of the month.

Ummmm, I think most people do, in fact, exceed the posted speed limit...

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

How often, and by how much, and do they buy radar detectors, etc.?

Most people I encounter aren't speeding because they're behind ME, and I don't speed.

You didn't actually discuss the original post - the driver in question.

Nor any of the reasons that you all speed. (Which I realise we aren't allowed to discuss, because that might be construed as an 'ad hominem' attack, even though it's the ONLY reason that you all speed. None of you speed for intellectual reasons, you speed for EMOTIONAL reasons. I'll repeat it again: there's something wrong with you, and you should try fixing THAT first, instead of breaking the law and risking innocent people's lives.)

The police have been breaking the law for 6 years in order to prosecute 150,000 people illegally, and you think this is fine? That's ignoring the fact that those 150,000 convictions had ZERO benefit to road safety as can be seen by Cleveland's KSI stats.

You can't be against breaking the law for one reason, but then for it when it's another, especially when this is a far greater offence causing serious hardship to many people. Well, actually you can, but it would make you a huge hypocrite.

EDIT - Oh, and the case was absolutely nothing to do with either SafeSpeed or PePiPoo, but I wouldn't have expected you to check your facts before barging in here, mouth blazing.

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Carl Prescott

Oh dear
Again, wrong. I ALWAYS try to drive safely & courteously. Occasionally, that may mean I exceed a posted speed limit, but as has been demonstrated to you time & time again, the posted speed limits don't necessarily have an effect on safety.

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

When I am confronted with a 30mph bypass that should have at least a 50mph limit I don't drive along it at 30mph; it's stupid. Only learner drivers abide the speed limit along the road I am thinking of. Indeed, the other half of the bypass has a 40mph limit, which still feels slow, but is more acceptable and fewer people break.

Actually, you're correct Mosis!
I wouldn't be able to live with my conscience if I ran someone over while keeping my eyes affixed to my speedo! So, for emotional reasons, I will continue to drive safely & courteously!

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

You just got yourself suspended. You will not show up here and insult the forum user collective without cause. Anyway, you were already on 'final warning'.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

You stand more chance of a driver dragging you out of your car at the first available (and safe of course) oppertunity and kicking the ever living shit out of you than what you do of obtaining a successful prosecution based on your home video antics!

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

More reasons to doubt dubious statistics #31: the selection bias.

Don't feed the troll!

I am intrigued by this statement, "I don't speed." Really? The needle rests on 30 precisely when you go from a 30 to a 40 zone? You don't dare speed up going from a 30 to a 40 till you're past the sign? You've never gone down a slight hill, sped up to 35 then realised and slowed back down again?

If this is the case, you're clearly spending far too much time worrying about your speed to the detriment of your hazard environment.

[quote="mosis"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/5145368.stm

This just shows the lengths sad speeders will go to.
Let me repeat it quite clearly: there is something wrong with you.
Most people don't find it necessary to buy radar detectors, speed camera detectors, or to move speed limit signs, because they don't speed!

im surprised you have taken this long to post

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Audere Est Facere.....To Dare Is To Do

Who is the criminal, mosis?

The person who speeds?

Or the person that sees it fit to impose a totally idiotic speed limit?

Answers on a postcard please.............

It's all we can accept from you seeing as you are barred from our community.

TaRa!

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Simon

Not sure of the exact circumstances, but dosent that constitute "Obstruction"?
Not that it would bother me in the slightest - which is why I am sick of being labelled a speeder just because I choose to post here, and can see "safety" cameras for what they are!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

[pedant mode]
the former is guilty of breaking the law of the land.
[/pedant mode]

If the speed limits were correct (and variable to allow for changing conditions) then 'speeding' would drastically reduce.

If all of the effort, rhetoric and hot air that is spent decrying the speed cameras was directed at getting the speed limits right I think we would be in a much better situation.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

I don't believe that it's possible. Here's the logic:

- Most drivers (90%+?) don't need speed limits. They will set safe and appropriate speeds according to the conditions. Road safety already depends on this majority behaviour.

- Logically, then, we need speed limits set on the basis of the worst 10% of drivers in poorer than average conditions if they are really going to do any good.

- It follows that in better than average conditions many of our 90% will find themselves at least on the borders of breaking the law.

This is highly visible on motorways. Few drivers need the 70mph limit. Few driver observe the 70mph limit in good conditions. But would I want a 17 year old driver in his first (old) car driving at 80mph in poor conditions?

I sincerely believe that discretionary enforcement is the only possible answer.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Yet again I find myself agreeing with handy. Yikes!

I think the inexperience and condition of the car are actually part of the conditions.



even more of an "Yikes" than JtB above ... I think we are in some sort of agreement here? The difference between my position and yours is purely one of timing - setting the acceptable limits for the overall conditions of the system happens before the 'speeding' event, discretionary enforcement happens after the 'speeding' event.

How did this happen? I'll have to post something soon to redress the balance

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.