Safe Speed Forums

There was a programme on satellite tonight called, "Traffic Cops".

On this programme, a Class 1 Police Pursuit Driver stated that, "...education is the cornerstone of road safety".

Not speed humps.

Not scameras.

Not convoluted traffic calming measures.

Draw your own conclusions from that one................

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Simon

Most TCs that I know are also interested in road safety and would probably agree with that statement.

You're not blaming the police for cameras are you Sigma aren't they just for enforcing Government legislation and who puts them in control?

I wish there were more TCs around, preferably in unmarked cars I (like the rest of us no doubt) see so much cr@p driving which drastically improves as soon as TrafPol are on the scene.

I don't think it's just education though; people need to change their attitude but they go hand in hand to a certain extent though.

My humble opinion

Rhiannon, I would second that. From my own experience it would also apear to be the case, during the winter I don't bother taking my hi viz jacket off when I leave site and find that drivers are a lot more careful around me than normal.

Dark blue car, 1x male driver with white shirt, tie and hi viz....

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Gordon Brown saying I got the country into it's current economic mess so I'll get us out of it is the same as Bomber Harris nipping over to Dresden and offering to repair a few windows.

Chaos, panic and disorder - my work here is done.

http://www.wildcrafts.co.uk

But why have they a bad attitude to start with? Is it because of the continuous 'beating down' by the authorities, scameras, artificial congestion etc., that has created or engendered this bad attitude? Personally, I think it has.

I rode up to Manchester yesterday and it was actually laughable, the amount of drivers I saw on the way who totally ignore road instructions - e.g. 3 or 4 cars just drive through a recently turned-red traffic light...

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

Agreed, attitudes today increasingly do suck.

BUT, with my background I am possibly more tolerant of the recognition authority than most here (I'm open to being challenged on that), but even I now find my own attitude sometimes sucks (I'm ashamed to say).
Part of it is because of the way I'm treated as a cash machine by local and central government, and part of it is because of the way other people behave towards me

Works for me as well - highway jacket, dark vectra.....amazing how they slow down

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"Are you sh**ing me?"
"John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a violation of the verbal morality statute."

Must have been cyclists out in a car.



It's amazing that they even notice judging by some of the apparently blind people driving about.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

BB are you saying then that if there wasn't what you say 'beating down' techniques people would be driving positively, safely and courteously?



Need I say more?

I expect he's suggesting that people drive less positively, less safely and less courteously than they would if policy hadn't increased pressure, misdirected attention and 'dumbed down' the driving process.

That's what I believe, and I also believe that it's mega serious, with over 1,200 lives a year lost due to the effect.

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Paul Smith
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The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

That's exactly what I'm saying.

A few years ago, driving used to be a pleasure and a skill that someone could take pride in, but these days, with artificial congestion etc., I think drivers are losing respect for road rules as so many of them are not necessarily about road safety, but more about income generation.

I honestly think drivers are becoming almost anarchic, and I suspect it will get worse before it gets better.

Whilst I don't condone things like running red lights, I can certainly understand drivers doing it, especially where there is no need for them and they have only been introduced to frustrate drivers and help create artificial congestion.

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

4 cars through a red light. Sounds exactly the same as in Liverpool.

If it is the same as in Liverpool, this will be because of the enormous dead time between one set going red and the next going green. 4 cars go through because 4 cars CAN go through the red safely, there will be no oncoming traffic.

Works fine until they encounter a junction elsewhere that is set up properly. Oops, better configure that junction to have a huge dead time too.


It's the red light equivalent of 50mph buffer zones outside of villages.

From what i've seen -it's the same all over - just look at the chaos that ensues when a normal set of lights is replaced temporarly with a set of road works ones -- almost like a road works catechism - "where there was order -we will bring chaos"

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

There seems to be more of a tc presence in my area recently. Seen them hook, line and sinker a wee ned who jumped through a red light on his noisy scrambler He done it right in front of them as well

Regards

Andrew

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It's a scam........or possibly a scamola


Homer Simpson

At my local crossroads far more people jump red lights since the traffic signals were 'upgraded' and created increased delay. As a local resident I don't have a decent say in the matter; the council just keep reiterating the need for pedestrian facilities (to serve a negligible number of pedestrians who cross the junction). As for the nanny state protected right turns that have caused much of the delays... AAGH!!!