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 Post subject: BBC Radio 4 this morning
PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 08:01 
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Radio 4 had a piece on the new proposals for variable speeding fines and points this morning, and the spokesman trotted out 2 old chesnuts

One third of accidents are speed related
40% accident reduction at camera sites (though he generalised to areas I think)

Anyone know how best to challenge these "facts" so that the BBC and/or press takes notice? Mass e-mail to the today programme? This is the address -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi ... state=init


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This forum seems to have been surprisingly quiet on these proposals.

The official DfT Press Release is at:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pns/DisplayPN.cgi?pn_id=2004_0119

and the consultation document can be downloaded from:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/d ... 30771.hcsp

My first reaction is that - as there is no mention of changing the existing minimum prosecution thresholds - it actually represents something of a popularity-seeking climbdown, as a substantial proportion of speeding offences (maybe around 50%) will end up with 2 points and a £40 fine rather than 3 points and £60.

The usual anti-car suspects such as Mary Williams certainly don't seem to like it.

Of course the principle is wrong, as Paul says in his PR, as the gravity of a speeding offence can't be measured in terms of how much over the posted limit it is.

I suspect after a torrent of protest from BRAKE, RoadPiss etc it will be quietly dropped - but the option of speed awareness courses for low-level offenders will go nationwide. Nothing is likely to happen until after the election anyway.

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Robert Gifford, executive director of the Parliamentary Advisory Council for Transport Safety, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the government was sending a mixed message to motorists.

"On the one hand the government says 'speed kills' ... but on the other hand it's okay to speed a bit," he said.

He said a vehicle's speed when it struck a pedestrian determined whether they suffered injury, which made it just as dangerous for drivers to creep above the speed limit as exceeding it by a wider margin.

"The penalty should match the risk," he said.


Why do these people persist in propagating this lethal claptrap. Soon we'll have a nation of motorists who drive at only two speeds i.e. the speed limit and stop. But then these motorists will be the envy of those who drove at 42 or 31 half a dozen times over a couple of years motoring.

So the penalty should match the risk eh?


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We are seeking views on a new graduated system of penalties for speeding designed to be more effective and appropriate than the current 'one-size fits all' approach. We want to ensure that the level of the penalty fits the severity of the offence - including a crackdown on the most dangerous offences.
That's the good news from Alaister Darling. The one size fits all approach is not as effective or appropriate as we would like. Now for the bad (my bold).
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The police would continue to enforce speed limits rigorously and motorists will always need to be aware that speeding is highly dangerous and if they are caught they will face a fine, points on their licences and disqualification if they persist.
So the fine may change but the attitude doesn't show any signs of doing so. The message remains the same as before - speeding is highly dangerous. The implication being that speeding is automatically dangerous and legal speeds are automatically safe. :roll: Same old oversimplification, same old problem.

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