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 Post subject: Euro ISA
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 00:47 
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Vonhosen on Pistonheads posted the following link:

http://www.etsc.be/documents/ISA%20Myths.pdf

I can hardly believe my eyes. We're REALLY going to need some significanct resources to counter this disastrous crap.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 02:06 
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I am very glad that France and the Netherlands voted "NO" to the ratification of the EU constitution last year.

But every citizen of the countries that make up the EU must stay vigilant and resist this sort of mass-control initiative.

It's bad enough if they try to impose this type of regime at a national level, but EU-wide?
Say NO to restrictive homogenisation!
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Hmm..
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Myth 9: Speed is just one small element in road safety

CLAIM: “Only a very small part of accidents are related to speeds over the limit. Most accidents are caused by speeds that are inappropriate to the conditions, in combination with other factors such as aggressive driving, tailgating, fatigue etc. So we need to improve driver behaviour in general, not focus solely on speeding.”

REALITY: In fact there are many more accidents linked to speeding than official accident statistics reveal. This is because in most cases, police will not include the accident cause “excess speed” in its crash reporting. Even experts cannot trace at exactly what speed a car was driven ahead of an accident happening, and police have to be able to prove in court that a speeding offence was committed. Therefore they will generally resort to “inappropriate speed” even if the speed was by far exceeding the limit.
Research carried out in Germany suggests that speed limits are broken by about 30-90% of all drivers, and data from other European countries supports this figure. It would be unreasonable to think that there is less speeding in accidents than there is in the general traffic flow.
Moreover, speeding is often linked to other risky behaviour. Drivers who exceed speed limits have a probability that they will not wear their seat belt that is 87% higher than for non-speeding drivers. The relation between speeding and drink driving is also high.


So when the facts don't back up the answer you need/want you just say the facts are wrong..??
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beermatt wrote:
So when the facts don't back up the answer you need/want you just say the facts are wrong..??

or you deliberately misinterprate them...

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In Germany, only 1.9% of injury accidents that happened in 2004 were linked to “speeds over the limit”, accounting for 8.2% of the total 5,842 people
killed. However, 21% of all injury accidents were linked to both “speeds over the limit” and “inappropriate speeds”, accounting for 45.5% of fatalities, according to official statistics.

so the "exceeding the limit" figures don't look good for us do they, so let's add in "inappropriate speed" and must of the people who think this system is a good idea will nod their heads and bleat "must control speed". What we won't mention is that no system can control "inappropriate speed" (or drivers that have fallen asleep because their car is doing everything for them).

and then if that's not good enough we'll create some ridiculous "facts"
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The relation between speeding and drink driving is also high.

That's not what the last lot of "we know where you are" ads said.
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Now do you see what the 'review of speed limits' is all about?

The Government tells us one thing, but for the past ten years at least, everything done in 'Road Safety' and 'Transport Policy' is a result of 'Global Services Providers' selling the promise of untold riches to corrupt Eurocrats.

The European Commission has already arrogated itself to 'declare competence' in the areas of Road Safety and Transport Policy. Meanwhile, your MEP isn't even allowed to know who the people proposing and making these policy decisions are, nevermind what to actually do about it.

As for France voting NO to the constitution; It hasn't done them any good - all this crap is rolling out faster there than in the UK. €220million last year in revenue from the privately owned and run digital camera network alone.

That's where it gets really scary. The UK is really lagging behind with its safety camera partnerships - hand it all over to the private sector and see how you can really rake in the cash. It's much easier for government to rob you and claim clean hands when the money has been laundered as tax on corporate profits.
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stive gonzales wrote:
It's much easier for government to rob you and claim clean hands when the money has been laundered as tax on corporate profits.


Just like they do with the oil companies.

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