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Former Military Police Officer and accident investigator

you still havent answered my question- HOW do you decide who is safe to drive their 1.6 litre at 100 mph - an expereinced driver with advanced training or the just passed his test 17 year old - Do you want someone vetting them at each slip road - Yes you look experienced you can go 90. No your not experieced you had better stick to 60??
Fred

How about "I'm a traffic officer-you arent driving like a complete dick-therefore you're safe to be on the road."
I'm not a traffic officer-and NEITHER ARE YOU. Therefore YOU PERSONALLY arent qualified to decide.

As fred seems to be an 'experienced' possibly even 'advanced' driver. I have one question for him.

If there were no speed limits on a road, how would he decide what the maximum safe speed was?

and no helping from anyone else.

That would be totally impracticle and unworkable, besides someone does not have to be driving like a dick to be driving beyond there capabilities. We can all do 90 but can everyone react at that speed in an emergency, or bring the car to a safe stop in the event of a blowout? - I think not. at least at a 70mph maximum most would have a better chance
Fred

I know how I would decide - the trouble is many drivers do not know their own limits - therefore it is safer that they are controlled to 70 rather than be allowed to go as as fast as they want

If you're driving beyond your capabilities then you ARE driving like a complete dick.

Exactly - But how do you stop people doing it - Do you expect there to be enough traffic police on the roads to review everyones driving?
Fred

even i cant argue with that one

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Richie

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Decent driver training would be a good start-along with SENSIBLE awareness adverts- think bike, dont dazzle dip your headlights-all the stuff from the 60's 70's and 80's that disappeared. Promoting awareness of the consequences of your speed eg-are can you control your car if you have a puncture at this speed? I'm confident I won't have a blowout-my tyres are Kevlar belted on my bike and filled with instant sealer-AND rated to 200mph,though I don't ride at anywhere near that speed.-not ridiculous ads designed to shift blame. I recall one from a couple of years ago where a driver was made to look in the wrong for doing 30 in a 30 limit because a van pulled out 10 feet from him and he couldnt avoid it.

EDUCATION not LEGISLATION is the answer. Always has been. People treat driving as a right but it's not. It's a privelege and it's subject to you PERSONALLY being safe-and EDUCATED as to the meaning of safe.

totally agree with the above but you will always get the boy racers and those who think they are better than they are

couldnt agree more

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Richie

SSAFA supporter
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I am on your side now I have read all the gumf from Paul Smith. Just wish the dickheads could be kept off the roads - hope the protest goes well - I am afraid I cannot be there however.

All the best

Fred Ingram

Thanks for an interesting debate Fred.

The point with boy racers (and to some degree weekend bikers - although I don't want to ruffle any feathers) is that their activity is usually a considered drive towards and sometimes beyond the bounds of their ability. They are often aware of the attention which their driving would attract therefore it is generally done away from camera sites, so no beneficial effect there.

The picture is a little more complicated than the simple (both meanings of the word) message Speed Kills. It does - it provides the momentum which kills, but the killers have to be further defined. They are NOT the average Joe driving down the motorway at 79 to 90 miles per hour. If stats could show it, I believe (from experience dealing with hundreds of collisions) that these drivers would statistically be our safest drivers, yet they are routinely penalised for this.

When you dig into it a little fred, you start to realise that the Speed Kills message makes less and less sense.

Then when you consider that remote prosecution is becoming the main thrust of the enforcement side of road safety, gradually but remorselessly taking over from road policing, you start to wonder why this is.

Many on this forum believe they know why. I couldn't possibly comment .

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Fixed ideas are like cramp, for instance in the foot, yet the best remedy is to step on them.

Ian

You won't ruffle mine Ian- I've been riding 17 years day in day out and have had one accident in that time that's been my own fault-5mph on diesel that I didnt see.I have however been run into 4 or 5 times from behind and knocked off twice from behind.I only use the car for towing my boat and shopping I can't carry home. I agree-weekend bikers need educating too. There are NO exceptions. I could probably do with some myself but I do actively try my hardest not to make myself a statistic.

blimey , good for you Fred...

I hope the world now gets back to arranging for more and more people to turn up...

rgds
bill

Paul, Just took out a Gold membership, trust the funds will help you to keep up the great work.

This now means that we can only have three new tyres when we race at Croft but it's worth it

I'll be there on Saturday

No probs at Croft a set of tyres should last all season.....

Ok I have been away a week. Just tried to trawl through the pages of this thread but got bored reading all the off-topic rubish. This is about the protest yes?

So is safespeed meeting up on the way or in a designated spot on the services.

Maybe Paul could post a thread as an announcement.

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Speed camera policy Kills

We have to make arrangements for a post protest press conference / photocall. We were going to have it at a Heathrow Hotel, but the latest idea is Membury eastbound. As soon as these details are firm we can arrange a Safe Speed meet - maybe at the press conference if we have space for supporters and journalists. I'd like to see supporters in the photos.

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