Safe Speed Forums

Hi All,

Just read most of the thread the usual arguments.

I'll be protesting on the 30th against speed cameras because I believe they are the first steps towards total political control over us all, for making money and NOT for road safety.

To those pro-camera people oblivious to what’s going on around them (the same as when they drive no doubt) you will get caught too it's just a matter of time. Then try and tell the courts of your righteous ways, of your innocence, that you are good boys and girls because you always stick to the speed limit - I'm sure they'll believe you too – but then why should they it’s only your word against their unquestionable technology isn’t it??

Andy

Byny,

You represent the epitome of what this Government hopes to achieve by enslaving the masses to its doctrine, regardless of the case against. You are being told a lie and because, apparently, you are unable or unwilling to question the contrary evidence you choose to believe the Governments' propaganda supporting its argument that is designed to restrict rights to vehicle usage by stealth using the falsehood of 'safety' as its panacea?

Ken livingstone is pushing through even more speed cameras for London and using draconian measures to fine people £100 for straying just inches into bus lanes.

http://www.suttonguardian.co.uk/display ... e_bend.php

Is this what you want too?

byny,

Paul Smith suggested I read some of the information and reports on the safespeed website and I would suggest you do the same - It has really helped me understand things that I did not realise before.

Regards,

Fred

It's amazing quite how opinionated people can be when they don't fully understand the issue they are commenting on isn't it.

Brynyn, here's my argument for removing speed cameras:-

If you (as do the great majority of drivers) are driving SENSIBLY with due consideration for ALL the variables (type of road, type of car,traffic speed,traffic density, proper hazard awareness etc etc) then there is absolutely no need for speed cameras. You will find that in driving like this you will be driving at around the 85th percentile speed for the majority of the time. You will also be in the group of drivers least likely to have an accident.

HOWEVER, if you add a speed camera to the equation you are introducing a new hazard to be watching rather than the road that will cost you money AND points on your licence if you drive within the 85th percentile-which has been proven to be the safest percentile to drive within.<edit>the safest DRIVERS drive within the 85th percentile.<end edit>
Are you getting the picture so far?

when you add to this the fact that during braking to the speed that the traffic ahead does you also introduce a "concertina" effect with the distances between vehicles and the speed of the road. If the vehicle in front brakes from say 85 to 70mph FOR EXAMPLE ONLY, by the time you have reacted and braked to 70mph from 85mph you no longer have a 2 second gap between you and the vehicle in front.
You then have to slow to 65mph to allow safe distance-then speed up again. This also impacts upon fuel economy.
The vehicle behind you has to brake from 85mph to 60mph....and so on.

Would you mind telling me where at any point that scenario above is a safe and reasonable one for a government to initiate?

One thing I'd like to know is are all accidents involving a pedestrian attributed to somthing the driver did?... The number of times I have seen people climb railings, often at the side of the road, then in the middle of the road... These railings are clearly there to separate the pedestrians from the traffic, so in that case... the pedestrian is putting the drivers at risk, NOT the other way around.

Rather naughtily (before contacting the Organisers), here is a short plug for The Freedom Campaign, a group combating and highlighting police Corruption in the Southwest.
http://Freedoms.4t.com/

Useful forum for what the police are thinking about all this: http://police999.com/

Good point well clarified, Observer

Your concern also highlights the problem of over-reliance on speed limits as a guide for safety. The two distinct and equally important factors of individual ability, and hazard density mean that the safest speeds necessarily vary routinely while driving.
Clinging to the speed limit as the guide to safety is not only wrong, it carries added risk

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Ian

One of these days, I'm going to shake your hand.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Wow. Have I missed a lot in the last few weeks or what! Very much hope to be on the M4 on Saturday but not certain if it'll be possible. Fingers crossed some notice will be taken.

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I'm due to use the M4 on Saturday. I don't make unnecessary journeys (unlike most other people on this forum) so I was annoyed when someone told me there was a protest going on.

Well, I thought, at least it must be something worthwhile.

The war in Iraq, that’s it. Hundreds of children killed by cluster bombs.

No, it’s probably the aids crisis in Africa. Millions of kids orphaned.

So I logged on to this site. What a disappointment – “A speed camera has been installed on the M4”.

PATHETIC.

On the positive side it shows that there’s not much wrong with this country when this is all people have to complain about.

It also shows how ludicrously cheap petrol is. If it was 3 or 4 times more expensive people would think twice before wasting it on trivia.

I hope you enjoy your day on the motorway. It’ll probably be one of the more interesting days of your lives.

Watch out for the cameras... It'd be such a shame if you got done for speeding.

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Why did you assume i was driving? It just confirmed my suspicion that most people on this site do things by themselves.

Because it would have been rude to assume that you'd be stupid enough to get on pubic transport. I take it you are a troll from another site. What fun.

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Former Military Police Officer and accident investigator

So everybody who uses public transport is stupid.

That's not the open-minded viewpoint i expected to find here!

IMHO yes, and until public transport becomes truly integrated and at a standard that comes close to that which can be enjoyed in a private vehicle it will remain that way.

Public transport as it stands (outside of the metropolis) is inferior, inconvenient and in efficient for the traveller. Best left to the likes of you.

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Former Military Police Officer and accident investigator

It'll never be good enough for people like you.(thank God).

You are probably right there, I have standards and they will not be lowered just because of a few car hating lefties who found themselves advising the last Government.

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Former Military Police Officer and accident investigator

Love it! You just couldn't make this site up.

Why?

He's operating a Talivan perhaps?