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I’m sure I’m way behind everyone on this but is it a golden opportunity to protest about you know what? If so, how could it be done for maximum public support and awareness?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20100701/tuk ... a1618.html

http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I'm going to ask them to scrap differential speed limits for different types of vehicles.

ETA: and very slow websites - they should be banned.

Is anyone else putting their tenpenneth on here?

What laws would you like repealing?

I've proposed this one.

Generally, Safespeed-friendly measures seem to be very popular.

I also proposed this one for a laugh because I hate the way public bodies use the word 'inappropriate' the whole time. This HMG website is a good example.

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Oh yes, oops...

On the appropriate /inappropriate word use - as seen on Gov't forms "delete as inappropriate" -an old mate of mine used to joke that that's what he did - and he deleted the words "as inappropriate" --as a point . Made sense to me - as another who likes to mess up the system .
But looking at the Sun web pages ,simply because today JC had a good column on his pet things he's like to get removed .

And one that might get a lot of votes , UK LTD is in financial trouble - yet messrs Clegg and the Demopratts want to push on with a referendum on voting changes, costing ( on one quote ) £80M

As a motorist , if I'm having money problems , coming up to a MOT ,and needing new tyres - do I plump for a new Sat nav , or budget tyres ?

We've ditched ( IMHO) MPs who live today on tomorrows earnings , or so I thought .

Time ( IMHO) TO ADD FINANCIAL responsibility to the equation .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Have a read of this

ASENNA = Spinny, got to be.

Which I've happily pointed out (I'm slipdegarcon).

I'm now chasing him round the site. It's fun.

I strongly recommend registering on this site, there's some thought-provoking ideas listed under the motoring tab.

And good troll-baiting, which is always fun.

Why move - on here we've got Cameras operaticus , Gob Snapper and Whoopie ---and throwing a treat under a bridge usually brings one of them up .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Why move?

Joking apart, this is a golden opprtunity to speak directly to government. They're actually asking us directly what laws we want repealing. There's pages of ideas about motoring law from randoms, and one troll that needs fighting.

And on the Safespeed forum all I'm getting is apathy.

That's why I'm moving!

JTB,

I can't help but think that this Government initiative is akin to the Petitions site. It won't matter what you say as you will be ignored but you feel better for venting about your pet issues.

I think you are right, however, about ASENNA. The vitriolic and instant declamation of Paul gives it away.

I don't think apathy on here is the right word. Weary cynical resignation would be more like it.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

(I should point out I've not been over there this AM as I am pretending to be at work, so apols if things have changed)

But there's an awful lot of people on there who AFAIK aren't members of Safespeed proposing things that we would agree with. They may not even know Safespeed exist. They may join SS if we were described to them in terms other than ASENNA's.

But instead of us using this as an opportunity (a) to reach out to new people and (b) influence government policy (they've actually asked us what we think so why not tell them?), everyone's just sitting on their hands and letting Spindrift/ASENNA divert the debate.

Apathy or cynical resignation? I don't think the phrase is important; the end result will be the same. A cynically resigned campaigning organisation ignoring an opportunity like this deserves the results it achieves.

And no, I'm not suggesting that specific people (e.g. Claire) spend all their time on there, but if we [url]all[/url]went over, clicked on the 'motoring' tab and rated and commented on a few threads, I think we would be doing our bit to campaign for what we have all come together here to talk about.

EDIT: to Steve: - someone's getting stuck in.

What makes you think that is me

Seriously, I can't monitor every thread in every forum, but I can try to deal if someone lets me know (just as you did)

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Steve:

I reiterate that I wasn't aiming my crazy rants at the upper echelons of SS, but at the ordinary members and forum users.

Due to its rating system and high level of traffic, what http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/ needs is weight of numbers.

The likes of ASENNA/Spiny are best beaten be weight of opinion rather than argument (IMHO).

I wonder who GBell is? He seems to be pretty clued up....

Perhaps another follow up by the SS PR DEPARTMENT - ( AND I HOPE WE HAVE ONE ),OR IF NOT - MODS- TIME TO GET ARSES OF SEATS AND ONTO GEAR AND GET ONE .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Countering ASENNA's link -fest (he seems to have resorted to posting the same essay on kinetic energy everywhere) led me to this place:

http://www.roadsafetyfoundation.com/

They are the people who produced the recent report on our 10 most dangerous roads. Great quote on page 1.



It's Leeming to a tee.

And this map is very interesting.

Have a look at your area and see which roads are most dangerous. Round me it's all the least improved roads, funnily enough.

And have a look at the motorway network. All green, i.e. the safest category. And they say speed kills.

If I may make a suggestion from afar.

Everyone should also contact their MP especially if they are on the Coalition side and make their points of view and seek their assistance (or even offer to help).

You could also join your preferred political party and make your points through meetings and resolutions.

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On a related note, I noticed the Number 10 petition site has been suspended.

SO this government are making it clear they want to ditch laws, not create new ones.

I am not sure they are right to condemn whole roads ... that seems incorrect. here : http://www.roadsafetyfoundation.com/downloads/Map.pdf
Sections I can understand but not the whole road. They might label a road a statistical, certain risk but is the whole road bad ?
If an accident is all that classes a road as bad what percentage of driver error if any has been taken into consideration ?

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I guess you can only break it down so far on a UK map.

I think that considering (some authorities but I assume all) accidents are grid referenced they have the precise locations of all accidents and even which direction or side of the road the incident occurred. (eg here)

They have pinpointed the roads so why not the locations on those roads. Originally cameras could only be located after a fatal accident (granted within variable 100's of meters) but they had to know where those accidents occurred. So it is known, so why be vague here. I dare say they were paid some vast sums of money to do this research so why not be properly thorough ? Did someone just not think to ask or also to provide ?

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Never seen Spinny get this rattled! Must've touched a raw nerve.