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Heard on the radio this morning, the EU have said that UK drivers are to be told to drive on dipped headlights during the daytime.

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Found this in the Sun Newspaper

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

And if there's mass disobedience...?

I give up - I just haven't got the energy to even get upset about this crap anymore

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Just another excuse for FPN's

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

hmph. So we'll have DRL cameras next then I suppose.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

The idea that our road safety policy will be progressively dictated by Brussels is pretty seriously scary. I have seen no sign that they know anything about the subject.

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I agree. It seemed in the past that the UK government just rolled over and accepted everything passed down from Brussels without question. Its even more scary to realise that Ladyman is (supposedly) opposing the proposals and Brussels are effectively forcing them through anyway. It seems as though the UK's been a doormat for so long that we no longer have our own voice.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Italy succeeded in passing a modification to the legislation that only made it compulsory to use headlights outside built-up areas.

Still not ideal..

While watching the 'Road safety bill' reading on BBC Parliament on Monday, there was a section to do with reflective stickers on goods vehicles over 3.5t. Apparently from 2010 they must all have reflective stickers on the back and sides (when this was introduced in the USA it reduced accidents by 45%). An MP had put an amendment in to have this introduced from something like 2008. Ladyman went on to say that we cannot bring it in earlier than agreed without facing penalties. Apparently Italy are bringing this in ahead of schedule.

I do hope FJSRiDER isn't reading this subject - he'd have an apoplectic fit!

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OK, I freely admit not being a keen student of American road safety data but can anyone tell me what year American road accidents nearly HALVED? I'm sure it would have made the news!

Maybe they meant 45% "at the camera sites"....

For what it's worth, though, I'm not that bothered about daytime running lights one way or the other but what seems the most dangerous situation to ME is where you have traffic with a mixture of lighting intensities. If you have a load of cars coming towards you on a wet night with dipped headlights on and then someone sidelights, they can be instantaneously invisible unless you look carefully. Now I know everyone should look carefully all the time but, human nature being what it is....

Cars with automatic headlights that sense ambient light intensity already exist. I think that if Brussels wanted to dream up some new Directive to keep itself in a job, they'd be better off making it a requirement for all vehicles to have automatic headlamps AND for all automatic headlamps to come on at the same light intensity. That would save needless power consumption (150watts PER CAR or about 1/5 horsepower!) in sunnier climes too! (Wouldn't solve the problem of silhouetted bikes though!)

Personally (and I knwo some disagree) I think all vehicles should light up when there is no reflective daylight* - otherwise I see no point in expending fuel and masking motorcycles.

I think the reason behind this legislation is, as always, the odd pillock driving along in fog or pissing rain (but in "broad daylight") with no lights on, so he's very hard to see from a distance, and for HGV drivers looking at spray in their mirrors, he's as good as invisible.

Again another product of a lack of traffic police and education


*My own term to describe the level of light intensity to make shiney things shine. On sunny days for example, cars etc tend to reflect daylight and are so visible that the addition of lights is unhelpful. On very dull days or days with limited visibility such vehicles do not reflect light and merge nicely into their backdrop until the human eye detects them thanks to relative motion against background. Often this is too late for comfort IMO.

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Ok - could have made it clearer - I think the 45% was to do with accidents where people had collisions with lorries (stationary and moving)

It saves education, it is dumbing down. Some people can't think to put there lights on, make everyone put them on. easy problem solved.

Thats the way it seems to be at the moment.

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I wouldn't mind if people's lights weren't so often badly adjusted.


I look forward to being constantly dazzled, rather than just frequently.

I think I shall be buying shares in a few car battery manufacturers.

If you stop driving during the day, you are not going to think to turn your lights off.


Thank goodness my Legacy automatically kills the lights on shut down, then has a separate switch if you want parking lights.

surely all the cars in Scandinavia have lights that come on automatically with the ignition, so you cannot forget to turn them on

if this law was brought in here it would only be for cars manufactured after a certain date as we couldn't all be expected to remember all the time at first could we?

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What about people who drive on full beam all the time?

or will using full beam get banned?

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Yep lots to think about.......but what the hell, lets introduce it anyway. Isn't that how it works

They have also calculated casualty reduction..............How the f*ck they have done that is anyones guess.

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