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Indeed you have both been civil in your postings, if you read my post you will see that my comment is clearly directed at HonestAndy.

I would not be here making people aware of the situation that exists were it not for PCSOs making incorrect estimates of an allegedly speeding car...all you PCSOs have done is insult people

I took your advice and have written to the Police Force concerned.

I am sick to the back teeth of people picking on law abiding people and watch in dismay as the criminals and yobs , and drug dealers take over.

All the powers that you quote and all else mean nothing to these people they laugh at the real police and laugh even more at PCSOs.

I would like to make a point that speeding results in the cause in what this site states are 5 % of accidents...sorts the yobs out.. as PCSOs if you can ..then come and see me about speeding and all the other profitable FPN offences you thrive on..these are not rants but my honest feeling s towards mainly PCSOs you are a waste ... but the police and governemnt policies..this is all wrong.

You should sort out crime..then deal with speeders and stuff when the streets are safe ....

The truth must hurt you :D :D



I am enjoying this discussion as it only serves to fuel my perception that the general public have little or no knowledge relating to PCSO's thanks to tyhe poor implementation by the Government

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fatboytim wrote:

To clear this up for us, what is your understanding the abrieviations ...
SOCPA=
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Told you all ....these powers they claim to have are well...RUBBISH !!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Dont forget ..FPN, parking ticket if it has been issued by a PCSO take it to court..Police admin wont let them take the witness stand... :D :D :D


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Honestandy wrote:
Told you all ....these powers they claim to have are well...RUBBISH !!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Dont forget ..FPN, parking ticket if it has been issued by a PCSO take it to court..Police admin wont let them take the witness stand... :D :D :D


is there a slight chance you can change the record


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PCSO ------

Last i heard ( and this was Police CBO Sergeant - )

Dog POOO - Good at picking them up
CYCLISTS ---Good at nicking them for no lights
GETTING DO NUTS FROM SHOP - EXCELLENT


ANY THING ELSE - like a 5volt battery in a 10 volt lamp - "NO POWER"

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These articles were in the Daily Express, Monday 16th

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PCSO ------

Last i heard ( and this was Police CBO Sergeant - )

Dog POOO - Good at picking them up
CYCLISTS ---Good at nicking them for no lights
GETTING DO NUTS FROM SHOP - EXCELLENT


ANY THING ELSE - like a 5volt battery in a 10 volt lamp - "NO POWER"

:twisted: :twisted:


I told you so...they prefer pies were we live...
and Change The Record NO.....

Wait till you get done by these wasters..who have nothing better than do..than do people for minor offences...

This should be stopped now and the money spent on REAL Police not powerless bluecaps....


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Honestandy wrote:
Told you all ....these powers they claim to have are well...RUBBISH !!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Dont forget ..FPN, parking ticket if it has been issued by a PCSO take it to court..Police admin wont let them take the witness stand... :D :D :D


is there a slight chance you can change the record


YES..but not for now..not till people realise the damage the government are doing with these wasters roaming our streets looking for power !!!

Why not join the real police ...I am baffled ????????

For the reasons stated in my deleted post !!!!

The truth hurts doesnt it... ????? :D :D :D :D :D :D


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botach wrote:
PCSO ------

Last i heard ( and this was Police CBO Sergeant - )

Dog POOO - Good at picking them up
CYCLISTS ---Good at nicking them for no lights
GETTING DO NUTS FROM SHOP - EXCELLENT


ANY THING ELSE - like a 5volt battery in a 10 volt lamp - "NO POWER"

:twisted: :twisted:


Brilliant !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:twisted: :twisted: Says it ALL ! :twisted: :twisted: l


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Another site where these PCSOs think they have the power to well ARREST anyone.... !!!!!

http://www.policecommunitysupportofficer.com/

Most of the text mentions CONSTABLE so it dont apply to them. mentions SOCA SOCAP, thats were theyre getting their POWER from ......

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Wrong POWERLESS...

Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot !!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted:


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Honestandy wrote:
Another site where these PCSOs think they have the power to well ARREST anyone.... !!!!!

http://www.policecommunitysupportofficer.com/

Most of the text mentions CONSTABLE so it dont apply to them. mentions SOCA SOCAP, thats were theyre getting their POWER from ......

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Wrong POWERLESS...

Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot !!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted:


PCSOs have the power of arrest in the form of Sec 3 Criminal Law Act.

I don’t understand the attack on the PCSOs all of a sudden??

It would appear even the most uniformed member here “Andy” has changed his opinion slightly after posting on the PCSO forum, he now has a slightly different attitude/opinion after talking to PCSOs rather than tarring them with the same brush and going off on one, with a misguided understanding of them.

http://www.policecommunitysupportoffice ... php?t=4551

I have met thousands of PC’s some were complete idiots, same with Traffic wardens, Post Office staff, Street cleaners …PCSOs etc etc, there are a hundred good and decent folk for every one idiot.

That’s an opinion based on knowledge.
Regarding the “Prior Opinion”, I just don’t know, perhaps it will need to be tested in court.

I do however have a problem with Andys story, an inconsistency if you will.
How does Andy know the PCSOs were manning the speed camera, the vehicle would have no doubt been stopped by a traffic officer half a mile down that stretch of road (possibly further if there wasn’t a sensible/safe place to pull over)
The PCSOs who look remarkably like PCs (uniform) would have been at least a quarter of a mile down the road.

I do not believe for one second that the Police Officer acted in such an unprofessional manor and explained that they were PCSOs on the laser, so this begs the question; could this just have been a PC on the laser?


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Hi

Very simple..

PCSOs were operating laser..all three ran into road arms waving, Good job wife was not speeding....wife stopped

PC came over and cautioned and issued Endorsable FPN

I dont know and cant understand this set up ???

Hence our complaint to the Police Force concerned.

I will report their reply...no matter what the content may be...

PCSOs everytime we go anywhere they are there , armed with FPNs.

Sick of it we are, similar work I do for a living ..

the point I try to make is this... forces using PCSOs to earn revenue, and from what appears here using PCs and PCSO s together for the sole purpose of stopping cars.

PCSO well some are polite and okay and I have give em loads of stick... I will end my barrage cos I havent got the time and when I got to posting on their website well some of them where more polite than I was in posting ..not like them clowns....like PCSO 879 and the other fella :D :D

Honestandy I am and I shall give them the benefit of the doubt.....

I will report content of police letter in response to complaint on receipt.

Thank you

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Honestandy wrote:
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Very simple..

PCSOs were operating laser..all three ran into road arms waving, Good job wife was not speeding....wife stopped

PC came over and cautioned and issued Endorsable FPN

I dont know and cant understand this set up ???

Hence our complaint to the Police Force concerned.

I will report their reply...no matter what the content may be...

PCSOs everytime we go anywhere they are there , armed with FPNs.

Sick of it we are, similar work I do for a living ..

the point I try to make is this... forces using PCSOs to earn revenue, and from what appears here using PCs and PCSO s together for the sole purpose of stopping cars.

PCSO well some are polite and okay and I have give em loads of stick... I will end my barrage cos I havent got the time and when I got to posting on their website well some of them where more polite than I was in posting ..not like them clowns....like PCSO 879 and the other fella :D :D

Honestandy I am and I shall give them the benefit of the doubt.....

I will report content of police letter in response to complaint on receipt.

Thank you

H/Andy


VERY SIMPLE PCSO ON LASER, PC WRIING TICKET THEY ARE NOT AUTHORISED !!!!!!!


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Honestandy wrote:
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Very simple..

PCSOs were operating laser..all three ran into road arms waving, Good job wife was not speeding....wife stopped

PC came over and cautioned and issued Endorsable FPN

I dont know and cant understand this set up ???

Hence our complaint to the Police Force concerned.

I will report their reply...no matter what the content may be...

PCSOs everytime we go anywhere they are there , armed with FPNs.

Sick of it we are, similar work I do for a living ..

the point I try to make is this... forces using PCSOs to earn revenue, and from what appears here using PCs and PCSO s together for the sole purpose of stopping cars.

PCSO well some are polite and okay and I have give em loads of stick... I will end my barrage cos I havent got the time and when I got to posting on their website well some of them where more polite than I was in posting ..not like them clowns....like PCSO 879 and the other fella :D :D

Honestandy I am and I shall give them the benefit of the doubt.....

I will report content of police letter in response to complaint on receipt.

Thank you

H/Andy


Right so the PCSO’s were operating the laser and then after catching your wife speeding they chased your car up the road, all THREE of them.

You’ve just lost my interest now Andy, your story is clearly either a serious embellishment or just a false story to vent your anger and incite others.

Please let me know which force you are referring to and I will get a clear response as to whether or not they are used with the lasers. Then post it on here, to disprove your ridicules claim.

I’m pretty certain they have no powers to and probably weren’t used in the first place.

It is absolutely ridicules to suggest they manned the laser and then jumped out as a threesome waving there arms around to stop your wife.

The vehicle would have been stopped by a traffic cop a quarter of a mile down the road, in a safe place.
You state the PC was there, the PC would not allow such actions from the PCSOs, your story is growing more and more suspicious by the post.


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I am not a liar..... Why make up a stiory such as this ????? Please come on !!!!!!!!

Very Simple..they target vehicle and stop it on approach !!!!!!!!!!

Do you understand me now !!!!??????????

Two PCSOs on laser...Tripod in street Prescot Road, St Helens/
Enfield street.

Car = Distance away...approaching laser device
Car drives towards laser...

People in hi vis coats WPC 3 & TWO PCSOs

run into road...(Two Lanes) signal car to stop !

I was behind wifes car... I stop too...PCSOs approach me...tell me " We didnt signal you to stop, please drive on " NO CHANCE..!!

Told PC what I thought, Told PCSO exactly what I thought !!!!!! belive me !!!

If you would like to see ticket I can send you a scan....

Prescot Road, St Helens Liverpool...towards st Helens 01/09/2006 Merseyside Police.

and Mike, LIAR I AM NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Honestandy wrote:
Very Simple..they target vehicle and stop it on approach !!!!!!!!!!

That was the blindingly obvious answer!
Given the fact that lidar operators can target from many hundreds of meters away, they'll have plenty of time to react accordingly.


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Very Simple..they target vehicle and stop it on approach !!!!!!!!!!

That was the blindingly obvious answer!
Given the fact that lidar operators can target from many hundreds of meters away, they'll have plenty of time to react accordingly.



Agreed, it was a test question or a leading question :) , a question to gain more information...

You see, NOW Andy is saying the two PCSOs AND the PC stop the car.
Where as before it was only the PCSOs..


So then they were together?? The One PC and the TWO PCSOs??? Obviously they all jumped in the road together like crazed children with a police uniform from the early learning centre …right?

My point here is that if they were together then the PC would have been with the PCSO’s who were with the Laser… you see where I’m going with this.

The PC was with the laser, therefore formed the Prior Opinion.


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If she formed the opinion that car was speeding ..she should have

Operated laser...got the right car !!!

Stopped the car and yes it was funny watching them all jump in the road
Good job honestandy and wife were not speeding in their cars...!!!!

She should have explained the procedure ...

I formed the opinion that you were speeding..I told the PCSO to target the vehicle..I assume he got the right car :?:

Big Question mark... !!!!!!

So now I am doing you cos the bosses have told me to take these two out with me and prosecute cars..I have to come out with them...they are not allowed to do this on their own !!! ..

When I questioned her....that is what she more or less said...


I have wrote to the police and complained...why should she have an idea... tell other people to operate speed devices and then assume they have done their little bit right...

and she didnt check the information they gave her..she wasnt a traffic PC a beat bobby.. an expert on traffic offences and operating laser devices.. :lol:


How many people question their little scam ??? we paid up for the fear of more £££££££££s and hassle..but for what little it is worth...I have complained and if I saw them in trouble now..I would just turn my back.

Sod them ......that is how you are making honest people view the police. with hostility that they dont catch real criminals bad enough..but when that fails..hammer the good ones,, fine them points for them Great crime fighting this is...

wrong we are sick and tired of your pettyness, and real law abiding( Not got criminal records) people ..they dont want to help and support you..I wouldnt help these petty people who have targetted my honest wife in this way...20 years clean licence..she loves that lot..really impressed with our limited contact with the police !!!

Warning and then prosecution fair..very high over speed fair enough..but this is just trying to justify the existence of a few traffic PCSOs..another revenue making scam !!!!!!!!!! my point :shock:

I wouldnt help them up out of the gutter now and I mean that !!!!


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There is very little you know about catching the “real criminals”the undercover officers on busses/trains/night clubs, you just have no idea.

One PC and Two PCSOs stopping vehicles once a month is hardly stopping the police force catching killers and rapists.

I come back to my original point.

The PC was with the two PCSOs, as you say, you gave them a piece of your mind, in front of the PC?? And then the PC says how horrible it is working with the PCSOs and how she really doesn’t want to give you the ticket but has to, again in front of the PCSOs??

so she actually goes in to detail about the prior opinion with you there on the road side??

“I formed the opinion that you were speeding..I told the PCSO to target the vehicle..I assume he got the right car”
So the PC formed the opinion, asked the PCSOs to target that car, they all see the reading, as you say, they have plenty of time to jump in the road (all together :) )

“So now I am doing you cos the bosses have told me to take these two out with me and prosecute cars..I have to come out with them...they are not allowed to do this on their own !!! ..”

When I questioned her....that is what she more or less said..

What was the problem then? All legal from what you have stated.

How on earth do you expect us all to believe she said all of that in front of the PCSOs?
And explained who formed the prior opinion on the road side, she just started talking about prior opinions out of the blue??

Please answer these two questions

1) Were the PC and two PCSOs standing next to each other when you saw them jump in the road together?

2) she explained the prior opinion to you on the road side?

3) She acted unprofessionally by stating she had to give you a ticket but didn’t want to??

4) She badmouthed the PCSOs while they were standing next to you??

5) And what did the PCSOs say in return when you gave them a piece of your mind??

I’m not being argumentative Andy, but see too many holes in your story, I’ve interviewed too many people for your statement not to arouse suspicion.


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There is very little you know about catching the “real criminals”the undercover officers on busses/trains/night clubs, you just have no idea.

REALLY ????you sure...???

One PC and Two PCSOs stopping vehicles once a month is hardly stopping the police force catching killers and rapists.

Perhaps

I come back to my original point.

The PC was with the two PCSOs, as you say, you gave them a piece of your mind, in front of the PC?? And then the PC says how horrible it is working with the PCSOs and how she really doesn’t want to give you the ticket but has to, again in front of the PCSOs??


No PCSOs told me to move off..I wasnt leaving my wife alone there with them three...!!!!! Give me some credit I wasnt going to speak to them like that with her listening, honestandy is not daft - Do you want me to get nicked by the PC ???
:P :P :P

so she actually goes in to detail about the prior opinion with you there on the road side??

NO THAT WAS ME BEING FUNNY ..SHE NEVER WENT INTO ANY DETAIL !

“I formed the opinion that you were speeding..I told the PCSO to target the vehicle..I assume he got the right car”
So the PC formed the opinion, asked the PCSOs to target that car, they all see the reading, as you say, they have plenty of time to jump in the road (all together :) )


She never said anything like that just the usual caution, while doing this she had us parked on a corner on double yellow lines on a dangerous bend...so dangerous that they have speed patrols to stop all the speeding motorists you know...rubbish..double standards...rubbish TOTAL CHARADE

“So now I am doing you cos the bosses have told me to take these two out with me and prosecute cars..I have to come out with them...they are not allowed to do this on their own !!! ..”

When I questioned her....that is what she more or less said..

My Point if they feel the need to persecute drivers get the traffic to do it..not this two tier un professional system that I would argue is not right

What was the problem then? All legal from what you have stated.

Perhaps NOT !!!! You a Traffic Specialist Expert Special Constable ?????

How on earth do you expect us all to believe she said all of that in front of the PCSOs?

She didnt they were stood on the corner, 15 yards away looking for their next victim while someone did a job that they not empowered to do !!!

And explained who formed the prior opinion on the road side, she just started talking about prior opinions out of the blue??

She started to make her own personal reasons known when I started complaining to her, she just didnt want to know !!!

Please answer these two questions

1) Were the PC and two PCSOs standing next to each other when you saw them jump in the road together?

Hand in Hand (As Always)

2) she explained the prior opinion to you on the road side?

NO SHE DID NOT !!!!!

3) She acted unprofessionally by stating she had to give you a ticket but didn’t want to??


Not unprofessional ..spoke the truth probably

4) She badmouthed the PCSOs while they were standing next to you??

NO AGAIN hiding on corner 15 yards away !!!

5) And what did the PCSOs say in return when you gave them a piece of your mind??

Stood there looking, ( Probably used to abuse)I wont repeat what I said to one of them one to one..( Got Deleted last time ) Yellow bellied ..yellow coat,,PC did not hear me made sure of that !!!!!!....just in case... !I’

Spoke my mind politely to PC ..public order and stuff :D

Im not being argumentative Andy, but see too many holes in your story, I’ve interviewed too many people for your statement not to arouse suspicion.


Your being , well disagreeing cos I speak the truth and you dont want to belive it..this is a true version of events...sir, I am not a liar....

Why make this up, this charade made them look like a shambles, and I mean that..despite the points we had alittle laugh about them, and as I drove I got past them floored my 2.0 litre motor and took off at about XXX MPH !!! they were fuming !!!! and that is how they make you feel...

They still havent written to me about the speed I took off at ..ah !!!! blast camera facing the wrong way !!!! Sod em :lol: :lol: :lol:


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