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Motorists risk jail for using phones in car


Stiffer sentences proposed for jumping lights, tailgating and causing death

Clare Dyer, legal editor
Thursday December 14, 2006
The Guardian
Motorists who use mobile phones and tailgate other cars could be jailed under a tough new package of measures unveiled yesterday, aimed at stamping out bad habits. Drivers who kill on the roads are also more likely to face charges of manslaughter, instead of the lesser charge of death by dangerous driving, as part of plans by the Crown Prosecution Service.
Behaviour for which drivers could be jailed for dangerous driving, rather than careless driving, include using a hand-held mobile on the move, tailgating, tuning a car radio, overtaking on the inside, running a red light, or emerging from a side road into the path of another vehicle
The Director of Public Prosecutions, Ken Macdonald, said he believed public attitudes to bad driving had changed dramatically in recent years, and the CPS policy of prosecuting motorists might need to be modified as a result.
The proposals have been drawn up in the light of growing public recognition of the serious effects of poor driving, and pressure by campaigning groups on the CPS to take motoring offences, particularly those causing death, more seriously.
A consultation paper asks for views on whether a range of bad habits behind the wheel that are currently prosecuted as careless driving should be moved into the dangerous driving category, depending on factors such as speed and road conditions.
The combination of a tougher prosecution policy and changes in the law coming into effect next year under the Road Safety Act 2006 means that many more motorists who misbehave on the roads could face a possible prison sentence.
The act will create a new offence of causing death through careless driving, carrying a maximum sentence of five years in prison.
Prosecutors will also be able for the first time to charge offenders with manslaughter, which carries a maximum life sentence, and with causing death by dangerous driving, as alternatives, leaving it to the jury to decide. At present there is a disincentive to charge a driver with manslaughter because the driver walks free if prosecutors fail to satisfy the jury that there was an obvious and serious risk of death. Other alternative charges will include causing death by dangerous driving and the new offence of causing death by careless driving.
Mr Macdonald said: "Public views have moved along in recent years and we want to make sure our policies reflect public views. The test is the person standing on the pavement watching: is it, 'That's a bit silly', or 'That's really dangerous'? Do people regard as dangerous driving that [which] they would not have regarded as dangerous five or 10 years ago?"
The document, which applies to England and Wales, also asks for views on the current policy of generally not prosecuting a motorist whose driving led to the death of a close relative, providing no other people were endangered and the driver is not a continuing risk to others.
It says: "We consider that, in light of changing public attitudes to bad driving and the introduction of a new offence of causing death by careless driving, this policy requires revision. While one cannot rule out absolutely exceptional cases where prosecution would be oppressive, in our view prosecution for these offences should be the normal course."
The personal circumstances of the driver - for example, where the victim was the driver's child - would be an argument for mitigating the punishment, rather than a reason to avoid prosecution, it suggests.
It also asks for feedback on where the boundary should be between dangerous and careless driving in cases of a single misjudgment, or a momentary lapse in concentration.



I am not sure if this posted somewhere else?


It should be extended for lycra louts who jump lights und use Handys as well. :roll:

My view on the Handy ist well known. I cannot stand these nasty little phones und will avoid using them as much as possible. I can never understand the fascination with them.

Tuning a radio :? I post this same Grauniad piece to PH SP&L a moment ago. How the hell do you prove that one ..und since all I do to tune my radio ist push a little button on my steering wheel or on the radio device if in one of the other cars.. ist not really much different than switching on wipers, washes und headlights.. :roll:

Emerging from side street.. I have lost count of number of drivers und cyclists alike who fail to see the Give Way signs und marks or do not know how to behave at unmarked crossings .. :roll: Ja.. careless but surely not offensive enough to lose liberty over.


Besides there are other factors such as lay-out .. SMIDSY or just simply mistaking a flashed headlamp as meaning "I'm letting you out" when guy was meaning "Watch out - I 'm about!" or simply misjudging a speed of approach - especially if person speeds up just as they approach und person emerging has based their decision on the original speed of approach. I think a number of variables would be argued in the courts by the "Fremanesque" style of legal eagle ... :?

Ja .. some thing need tightening.. like the type who hit und run actually getting copped und jailed long term. But for the really tragic accident - we really must be sure of all facts und I rather think manslaughter should be reserved for the hit/runs und unlicenced who kill und the obviously dangerous.

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This is typical of Government thinking. Not enough people being convicted? Change the law to allow lower standards of proof. Not enough alleged rapists being convicted. Change the law to the extent that women are assumed to have no control of their actions. Need I go on?

In any event, I think you cannot have a law which means that if you make an unintended small error then what happens to you will depend on the lottery of outcome not on the nature of your mistake. Revenge should not be part of justice.

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So it's a bit of spin and bluster then? You may be jailed if it can be proven that you killed someone as a result of carelessness, which could involve using your phone.

Well I don't see any particular problem with that.

Now, alongside that I'd like to see the mobile phone law and speeding law repealed.

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Strange how using your mobile phone can be so dangerous but hand held walkie talkies and CB radios are perfectly legal............... :?

Also according to the letter of the law you can get busted for using your hand held whilst stationary in Asda car park with the gearbox in neutral, your hand brake on and your engine running.........another great law comming to you from the land if Blair.

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I'm sick and tired of crackdowns!

This goevrnment is truely on it's ar$e!


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don't worry to enforce that they would need a Camera that can detect this, after all there aren't any plod around :roll:


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civil engineer wrote:
I'm sick and tired of crackdowns!

This goevrnment is truely on it's ar$e!


They should have a crackdown on crackdowns

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