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Not really, you've been saying the same for about 3 years. "We've got them this time", "They're running scared", etc, etc, etc. Why does nothing ever come of it?

Some things that would really save lives - maybe you should proactively campaign for some more direct positive changes, rather than just the removal of safety cameras, such as?

* Hard limiting vehicle speed to 10-20mph in areas of high lateral hazard, such as city centres, residential areas.
* Alco-lock devices that prevent the vehicle starting for drink driving offenders.
* Making tailgating an endorsable offence and enforcing it vigorously
* Limiting vehicle power and size for a probation period

Don't forget, when traffic police ruled the roads and there wasn't a camera in sight, deaths were about 1,000 higher than they are now.

That's not evidence of success. It's just a website.

Are you sure you're not employed by a camera partnership? And if you are man the lifeboats!

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Paul Smith
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Is your ship sinking Paul? I'm not surprised, if that is the best response you can come up with to a reasonable post asking you to evidence your success.

The website is the substance, stop twisting other people's posts and think for yourself for a change.

All you are doing is attempting to chip away at Paul's work by picking at bones. So here it is, here's the challenge:

What would you do Jub Jub?, what are your answers? Paton's had a go, he's missed the point however in that like many of those opposed to Paul's work, he's looking at the arguments based at taking away the responsibility from road users. He is also once again, quoting a statistic without the evidence to back it up.

Ah.. but we do have the evidence Only it went on for about 20 pages or so Mostly drivel on the part of the resident troll over there (now in 20th incarnation) (not Jub Jub) How on earth that furthers road safety .. it's beyond me.

Perhaps Jub Jub might care to explain that thread though and the justifications posted with regard to red light jumping since he appears to place such touching faith in a person who has had more identities than Dr Who?

It may not be on the site anymore .. but it was still POSTED by some rabid idiots along with the comment that



still appears from time to time.



Classic and astonishing double standards and certainly nothing to do with promoting safe cycling practices.

I am sure Jub Jub will return that this is irrelevant since the thread has slipped into cyberspace black holes. But it was still said and like spinny still apparently has ancient and discarded material sat on computer.. this family has a number of threads which they have as evidence of the nonsense posted by those idiots who do nowt for cycling, road safety and nowt for anyone else either other than live a life being as nasty as they can be on a computer chat site.


I am sure he will deny the thread exists too. Be warned .. long as it was I can arrange for it to be downloaded in all its gory glory

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Only we now have better paramedics and in-roads into medical progress .. coupled with progress in treatment.

We have pedestrianised more streets and built more shopping malls.

Tailgating would be very difficult to apply. Germany has always fined for this.. but even there and they use CCTV cams as evidence. - they still end up with insufficient to prove the case. You need a cop and not a camera basically.

As for the alco-locks. USA experiment found there were dangers.

For example.. it does not follow that person may remain sober just cos he did not drink in order to set off ignition. USA know that boozers who need this device will swig booze from a bottle or can whilst driving. The device thus requires the occasional blow whilst driving. It led to accidents per a Texas newpspaper and they have gone back to removing licence, car keys and tagging the person.

By the way ... aroma of good cooking usually leads to tangible food.

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No more than a cycling forum which bears no relation to the magazine

Only .. people read it .. just as they read the Pratnership ones and the BRAKE ones.

You ask man in the street .. he's usually heard of Safespeed and Pistonheads.

He looks a bit blank though when you talk cycling and thinks cycling rags are for them "bike racy sporty guys" Few have heard of the cycling fora and those we point in the direction come back with

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Indeed it does. Almost always as it happens.

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Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
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No. The partnerships are sinking.

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Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Except in this case, where the aroma is entirely virtual.

Not 'virtual', no. Metaphorical.

Anyway, if you can't smell it, perhaps you have a metaphorical cold and need some metaphorical decongestant?

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

tell me Paton, how can an aroma be virtual?

You can have virtual benefits, aka speed cameras, you can have virtual reality, aka MPATON and jub jub making a serious contribution but!!

virtual aroma, nope, another fallacy from Paton's world.

Taking the responsibility away from road users? Don't be ridiculous. Ultimately, and as has been the case since the motor vehicle was invented, road users have had the ultimate responsibility in ensuring that crashes do not occur. Cameras, etc are a secondary influence in trying to reduce the probability of a crash.

It is your responsibility, as defined by the Road Traffic Act, to drive at an appropriate speed within the speed limit. Clearly the statistics show that most people don't, and therefore crash.

The law does not state "Drive at the speed limit", "You are safe if you are under the speed limit", "Speed limits are a target". Only absolutely braindead, idiotic morons would think that and they're the ones who will hopefully be caught and banned by safety cameras or the Police.

I've said it before and I'll say it again and again, if people studied and followed the Highway Code, we'd have a fraction of the incidents we have now.

Oh, right. That's all there is to it then?!?

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Nope. I won't deny it. I'm not sure which thread you are specifically talking about, but I have seen similar comments to the ones that you refer.

If you have ever read any of my posts on the subjects then you will know exactly what my opinions are on supporting violence, advocating and encouraging law breaking, and such activities as as red light jumping.

Now what's your point?

Not it isn't. And I'm not twisting anything. I asked Paul what the evidence is that his campaign is successful. You posted a link back to this site. A website is not evidence of a successful campaign.

David Icke has a website.

Oh quite. I cannot imagine why people think such utterly stupid things.

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Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
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You wouldn't be trying to goad me into saying that you have finally lost it, so that you can ban me would you?

It’s ramblings of people the likes of Jub Jub (and others) that inspire me to keep funding Paul Smith, so Jub Jub keep up the rambling. If I was Paul I wouldn’t waste any more of my time on you, I wouldn’t ban you either, its better you stay so everyone can see what a fool you’re making of yourself.

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