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Nope, not the letter, but the spirit of the law.

Laws are not to be regulation for regulation's sake.

Is there any such thing as "the spirit of the law"? The intention of the law, maybe but this would just mean that the written legislation was badly drafted and did not capture the intent.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

But it's the application of the law which is the problem.

Before the early 90s when cameras came about, the police and authorities usually took the view that the speed which the majority travel at (often the 85th percentile) on a given stretch of road should be considered legal - through both speed limit setting and level of enforcement.

Today, the authorities, especially the so-called "safety camera" parterships, now take the view that 10% + 2 over the limit should always be punishable no matter what the circumstances are. So if 35 in a 40 was safe, then the next day the speed limit is dropped to 30, 35 would then be considered dangerous.

Ricky78, what Safespeed is about is giving back responsibility to motorists in regard to speed and other driving situations. Speed camera policy has reduced the responsibilty of motorists to select a safe speed for the conditions, and in doing so, encourages motorists to simply drive by numbers which can be a deadly mistake.

Speed doesn't kill, innappropriate speed for the conditions do. If speed did kill, then why are our motorways the safest roads cos thats where motorists drive the fastest.

And a certain TV presenter wouldn't have been back on TV,
German Autobanhs (the derestricted ones) would be carnage loads of dead drivers killed by the "speed"

Indeed there is! Legislation cannot account for all permutations or eventualities, so it is often intentionally broad, and it is for the courts to turn legislation to law with their rulings.

Of course magistrates courts are excluded from this law-making process, since there are primarily a means of processing guilty pleas. This is almost certainly why scameraships resort to underhanded bullying tactics to encourage guilty pleas, rather than risk their gravy train becoming derailed in higher courts.

I know my views on speeding are miles apart from any of you. Even though I disagree with your view points it's good that you all campaign for whatever you believe in. So rather than discuss my opinions I am just focusing on the reality of the situation.

Yes if you want to live in the UK you have to obey all the laws, you can't just cherrypick those laws you like or dislike. Nor can you expect the police/magistrates to bend the laws for you just because you feel they are being unfair. If I got fined for doing 90mph on a motorway, sure I'd moan about it but I would have nobody to blame but myself, unfortunately I can't afford to pay an expensive lawyer to lie for me in court.

We all make our own choices in life and have to take responsibility for the consequences.

Certainly you cannot choose to flaut laws at will, nor does anyone on this site advocate that! However, as members of a democracy it is our very duty to oppose unjust laws.

We certainly do not advocate lying in court!

Yes, we're all well aware of that. Don't forget that most of us on here have no points and will take it on the chin if any of us does get caught.

HOWEVER, the problem we have is that the law is not punishing genuinely dangerous motorists. Rather, it is punishing motorists who don't do a number check on the dashboard - often because speed cameras need to be placed where free travelling speeds are 5mph or more over the limit.

This in turn causes motorists to be too concerned on numerical speed - which then means motorists spend more time looking at the speedo, time which could be better spent looking ahead/around you.

That's all well and good, but what if you were 100% certain you weren't doing 90 but an accusation that you were came through the post?! Have you heard of LTI20-20?!

What would you do then?

PS. Your language smells of troll....

Ok, ill bite.



Who determines whether or not your speeding is excessive or not? Or safe even?
Why do you feel you have a right to lecture others on speeding and yet you admit to doing it yourself?
Should you not be subject to the obeyance of the laws youre so freely admitting to breaching?
Shouldnt you go and turn yourself in right now?




Ive been stopped by police on a number of ocassions, never had a problem about it either.
Been flashed by scameras more times than youve had hot dinners as well, still, ive got a clean licence and i still drive faster than the sign says im allowed to.


Interesting viewpoint. How do you reconcile yourself with the fact that youre as big a lawbreaker as anyone else?
Obviously it dosent worry you otherwise youd stop doing it. Clearly you believe (or know as we do ) that the speed we drive at is safest for the conditions as we are "on the scene" so to speak at the time it occurs.
Speed cameras can take no account of anything except the speed of a vehicle, so since when was that an indicator of a safe driving speed?


Yerrrs.....yet you admit to ignoring them yourself.....



So tell me, when you get flashed (as you will eventually) are you going to "take it like a man" or are you going to wriggle?



Spoken like a true Hypocrit.

Case closed.

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"Safety" Scamera Partnerships;
Profitting from death and misery since 1993.

Believe nothing- Question everything.

Do you obey ALL laws that are currently on the statute book?


Agree entirely!

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He's already admitted he doesn't, which makes him a sanctimonious, ignorant hypocrite, as DeltaF has already pointed out. Can't argue from a standpoint that he himself admits he fails to achieve, therefore not worth listening to.

Sorry ricky, but you've shot yourself in the foot. Now, go read the SafeSpeed information and stop wasting our time....

PS. Hope you do take the points on the chin if and when they arrive and accrue a ban as I don't think you have the intellectual capacity to become a safer driver....

Rather reminds me of the American Pie film with the chap in the kitchen with an apple pie.........same result.

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"Safety" Scamera Partnerships;
Profitting from death and misery since 1993.

Believe nothing- Question everything.

According to speed camera dogma, all speeding is by definition excessive and dangerous. Therefore, if you accept the given reasons for speed cameras to exist, you are admitting you are a dangerous driver who might kill someone.

Agreeing with the current use of cameras, whilst claiming to speed "non-excessively", are incompatible beliefs. The fact that you have not been caught yet is pure luck and irrelevant.

Like it or not the law determines the speed we should drive at. You don't have to obey it but you might get fined.

I haven't lectured to anyone on speed nor have I even expressed any of my opinions on speeding. I'm just talking about taking responsibility for your actions.

I've admitted to speeding, yes I admit I have broken the law, no I have not been caught. If I get caught I will pay the fine simple as that. I'll admit I should not speed and I won't try and justify it. No I have not told anyone not to speed. I've said to them either don't speed or speed and get caught it's yoiur choice. , There's no hypocrisy there.

I've been pleased that people have taken time to discuss this with me. Just seems like I've touched on a sore issue with my wee friend up in Glasgow who can't face reality.

To be fair ricky, you do seem to be changing tack, and you also seem to be rather cleverly trying to elicit responses such as 'its okay to break the law'.

It wouldn't be the first time someone of a differing standpoint or a journo tried to gather dirt on internet fora to discredit an organisation, so you must understand a little scepticism given your comments.

Yes you have...



You've expressed your opinion that you don't believe in practice with the statement in bold above. The law dictates the speed we should drive at, but you don't follow the law you are suggesting people should stick to. DAISNAID. That makes you a hypocrite, and an idiot for not understanding the meaning of the word hypocrite.

I wonder if Ricky78 is feeling a little conflicted, he (assuming gender from name) obviously feels that there are circumstances when it is safe to exceed the legally posted limit while at the same time feeling a moral/ethical drive to obey the law.

Assuming Ricky78 is on the level then perhaps he has come to the right place to talk these ideas through.

Ignoring the speed camera debate for the moment you obviously feel that some speed limits are inappropriately low. Am I right?

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
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Ok Rico for all I know you may be one very smart lady but you don't across that way. I'll leave you and your boyfriend Delta to muddle on through life after all ignorance is bliss. Good luck everyone and happy speeding!!!

Whew! Only took two pages to run him/her out of town. Almost a record