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lol

trolls these days just aren't what they used to be.

no stamina.

honestly.

Dammit, and i was just starting to like him too......
Thats the problem with you Rico, youre just too darned aggressive.....

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It's good to hear your point of view, even if some here my get 'a bit grumpy' about it.
Instead of measuring people by how many points a person has maybe we should be looking at accident record.
There are many views about absolute observance of all laws and it is doubtful if anyone complies completely 100% of the time. For example, I recently did some wiring in my house. That's now illegal. Once I claimed for 120 miles for a business journey which was only 115 miles. That's also illegal.
There are many technical illegalities in the legal system and they get broken all the time, mostly with impunity. We need not single out certain artificially low speed limits as the sole examples of largely ignored laws.
The problem is that speed cameras are a very visible sign of the strict enforcement of one type of law to no really good purpose. The cameras address only about 4% of the overall road safety issues, but the enforcement agencies concentrate a very large percentage of available road safety resource on this. Personally that is what I object to, in addition to the requirement to 'confess under duress'.
It's supposed to be illegal to be 'drunk & disorderly', but you wouldn't thbink so it you were in our town centre on a Saturday night/Sunday morning. However, it goes largely unpunished because it's so hard top police. Now, should we major on policing only those laws which are easy to police? It sems as though that's what's happening.
In this country the law used to be enforced with a high degree of discretion. Now it's not, it's about targets, money and politics. That's where speed cameras come in - not exclusively, but as a part of this 'easy-policing'. They are cash-neutral and politicians can be seen to be doing something. Indeed, there are many who have been mentalkly seduced into believing that if you address 4% of a problem, the result can be better than 4%. It can't. That's why speed cameras are an irrelevance in road safety, but a spiteful threat to many safe drivers.

I agree, a real shame.

Did anyone else spot this one though:



Actually his views on speeding seemed to be identical to everyone else here.

Ricky, this is exactly what I wrote about upthread. The law determines the maximum permitted speed, not the speed we should drive at. You seem to have fallen into the trap of treating the speed limit as a target. This is precisely why the current speed camera policy is so dangerous.

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not me - I'm sort of treated as an abberration here, the lone voice who doesn't hate speed cameras!

It's possible to be largely in favour of cameras whilst largely against the policies that have come about as a result of their existence (i.e. lowering the number of traffic police in general). Paul has built a solid road safety campaign and should be supported ... I think I will never agree with his views on scrapping all cameras, but other parts of his campaign make a lot of sense.

[shocked moment]
good grief, what's happened to me? I'm going native!
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A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

I cant see your dilemma.
If cameras are beneficial to road safety (still not proven at all) then id find myself in agreement with your good self.
However, the converse is true; Paul has demonstrated the problems that cameras generate, and the fact is, theyre not reducing numbers of speeing drivers because more and more are being caught, while the scp's claim "massive" reductions in ksi's....dosent compute that speeds the killer or the causation factor in that case as if it was speeding drivers wouldnt exist cos the cameras would have worked; they havent.
Based on that argument alone i can see no benefits to having them, unless you happen to be an scp "manager", in which case all the more bonus......

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And that's one of the main points. I believe that SAFETY should determine our speed.

To me, safety is paramount and I will always put safety (mine and others) first.

Personally, I would rather have loads of trafpol about.

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I don't see it that way. In order for the campaign to succeed, it must be based upon safety. Therefore I would suggest that regardless of the speed camera issue, Handy's viewpoint is entirely in-keeping with the posters here.

Surely the whole basis of democracy is that the views of the people influence the law of the land, so to an extent if you campaign hard enough, and win enough people round, you CAN "cherrypick those laws you like or dislike"














In theory.

Yes, in theory. Take the modest 650,000 people who have signed the anti-road pricing petition; precious little chance of their views being taken into account.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

Shame there's no 'takes a bow' smiley.

TBH I think it was my hard question that stumped him.


Yup. We'll be keeping right up with you then, you thick hypocrite....

Keep a civil tongue in your head Delta or whatever your real name is you nobhead!!!.... Sorry this will be my last post I have to and play football

I should hope so too with foul language like that!

What? Play football?

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likewise gold and jewels,
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to sink your ship of fools

I thought you'd already left!

Not being a word I use often, I always assumed 'nobhead' was preceded by a 'k'.

wrong kind of knob i imagine

[quote="Cooperman]You've only been driving for 10 years. Well, I've been driving safely for 48 years and have a completely clean licence and 2 protected no-claims discounts.
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Cooperman - deleted the most to keep post short - just to say that i agree with you.
I've got 40 years on my licence ,clean and one protected NCB - I for one am not known for driving sedately - in my house they tell me they don't look at speedo - yet mrs b has never been known to tell me to slow down - speed up perhaps when i take the mick.
Experience - passed test in town - learned to drive on west highland single track roads in all weathers-driven in almost all towns/cities in uk .
Feel our mission (if we feel to accept it ) is to try to pass on e- experience to those with less experience .
Me - I come on here , looking for someone like IG( BIB Professional driver ) to pick up on something i say and offer advice,which i can take away and put into practice.
To me ,the mark of a good driver is being able to have others offer advice, which might help you avoid a nasty in the future.
A good driver should not be afraid to listen to other points of view.(And that's where the present system of roads policing is failing drivers ---no one around to critisise and educate)

???????? Which bit wasnt civil???????

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As I said, he's a bit thick.

He obviously hasn't quite figured out yet forum convention on how to spot who has posted a message. He just saw you quoted at the top of my post and jumped to the wrong conclusion.

@Ricky78 - I know you've said twice already that you are leaving, so from your failure to keep your word (not unexpectedly seeing as you don't stick to the speed limit yet tell us that we should...) I'm assuming you'll be back.

When you do stick your head in again perhaps you'd like to get your braincell around preparing an answer to my question?