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sage advice, one should always strive not to use bad language.


Oh dear.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Oh dear, my skim reading hasn't done me any favours! I honestly thought that you were one of those that largely agreed, not an abberration!

If it's any help I don't hate speed cameras, I mean I can commit all sorts of crime very easily just by having the right car with the right plates. (should I suddenly choose to)

What I hate is the replacement of police officers by them and the fact that they have been introduced under a banner of road safety when the people that introduced them now know (and should have known at the time) that they are nothing to road safety but still push this line to fill their own pockets.

You know, if the government had said, "speeding is at an all time high, it's a technical offence that we can make money from by prosecuting automatically" I could almost accept them, it's the lies I can't stand.

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Gopher ---(wishes we had a hit hammer on head smiley) -wat u have said son (in cockney accent,instead of "you wee only meant to blow the f*** door off) is what millions of drivers have said.)

dont bother have a look at http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8356

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Yes. Pity. By jumping in so hard at a new poster we have lost opportunities to learn and refine - as well as demonstrated to the poster and onlookers how impenetrable our front line defense is - which IMHO it should not be.

Something tells me he'll be back, either because (s)he was here to pick a fight in the first place and won't want to turn the other cheek, or because (s)he is ripe for the catching.

I've lost count over the number of years the people I know who used to hold this kind of attitude to speed cameras ie. 'I'm fully in support, not because I heed the speed limit but because I've never been caught yet, and the law's the law, y'know....'

The knowledge that it is safe to exceed the limit at times is already present in their minds, so when the NIP arrives and they start to feel aggrieved the change in opinion, or rather the realisation that they were previously kidding themselves, is almost automatic.

That's one of the worse insults I can think of!

I agree and I too have noticed that we seem to ignore the L plate. We KNOW our arguments for promoting safer roads are valid, but to a new poster, do we always have to alienate them?

Can't we try to be a bit gentler with new people? I know we're passionate about what we believe in (otherwise we wouldn't be here) but we want new people to become converts, surely?

We need to 'educate' people - not hammer them into submission.

IMHO

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From the brief dalliance ive had with "ricky78" i can ascertain with a large degree of certainty that no such education was/is possible as his reasoning is at an underdeveloped stage of evolution. If he cant see the conflict between aditting he's a speeder and then criticising others for complaining (as he puts it) about speed camera fines,(for speeding) then i feel that argument or any opportunity to reason with him is pointless as he simply hasnt the grasp or the intention to grasp the true situation.

R11co's analysis seems to be most likely the correct one to me: " a thick hypocrite"...

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Profitting from death and misery since 1993.

Believe nothing- Question everything.

bit late in the game.
but this graph shows the road deaths up untill 2005.
note what happens the year speed cams introduced.

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We allow a margin of "slack" to allow for momentary lapse, fluctuation. We have been known to tug if the speed is legal too - because something about the way the driver was handling the car may have alerted an experienced officer that "all was not right". Cal it a "bobby's nose

By and large .. we judge on what was actually observed and we have to make choices according to resources too. Basically - we pull what we judge to be dangerous or illegal before we will tug some one who errs just slightly above a speed limit for a short distance (ie - within our tolerance thresholds and not saying what they are .. else everyone will be driving to that blipping speed



In short .. we concentrate here on the downright dangerous and careless. We do not have fixed cameras. All our enforcement is in the hands of fully trained officers.

Guess what.. we will never zeroise nasty accidents.. but we seem to have less of them than elslewhere and the highest number of illegal cars siezed and downright dangerous and careless prosecuted than other areas in the UK. Tis a bit strange that.. no it cannot be .. the work of a police officer doing his job properly

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A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

Can't help but think old In Gears smiley army is playing to an empty theatre.

Psst, I think he's gone mate....

Ahhh! Tis a shame. Maybe he'll come back and play with me and Ted and Wildy some time... On second thoughts .. old and her lack of lingo gets' em every time

I gather she had a course at work today .. on developing her communication skills

I would have dearly loved to have been a fly on that wall! I gather the Mad one is trying to get her out of a deep faint from the shock of having to try to spell her little words on the white board and getting flunked each time! (She's not used to flunking t"tests" )

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

I for one have complained directly to the local 'Scamerati' but all you get is an anodyne 'bolier-plate' letter from somebody clearly just out of school or on a personal anti-motorist agenda.

Essentially we no longer have 'public servants', but an 'army of occupation' who regard the populace as a resource to be exploited, bullied, harassed, and lied to; there is no longer any morality or integrity in public life. Sh*t on people, abuse them, do what you damn well like because there will be NO comeback, EVER. The police are teetering on the brink of joining in, with some constabularies well over the brink.

Just remember, this Government have NO democratic legitimacy,as they got far less than 30% of the electorates votes last time, and less even than 50% of the actual vote.

Just look at the current Transport Minister: does he fill you with confidence ? would you trust him and others like him to do ANYTHING AT ALL in government?

No, I thought not

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Good manners maketh a good motorist

I have skimmed through and will assume you are lurking. You seem very angry in this initial post. I can only assure you that 95% of the posters to this site are genuinely concerned with road safety .. love driving and are seriously smitten by the power of the internal combustion engine

But that does not mean hooning it on public roads not disrespecting other road users. The truly skilled enthusiasts would not entertain such an idea.

BUT...

Unfortunately.. if copped in Lancs/Staffs/ and the other 13 or so pratnerhsips offering a speed aware course.. you will have been required to have paid £60-120 for this course.

Now do not read me wrong. Lancs and Staffs speed courses actually teach and preach C O A S T (and please do a search on this for In Gear's "set in stone but from the heart post" on COAST..

However, by nit picking and cherry picking the blippers as candidates for the course .. they do really undermine something which would really focus the more OTT brigade towards a more evaluating and skill aware approach to the craft of handling a car with some decent ability


A speed camera can never determine the most appropriate invitee to such courses. It can only ping a speed with scant regard as to actual road conditions. A police officer may not have let 38 mph in a 40 mph pass without a word or two.. but he may have lectured and penalised and punished as a last resort. A bit like the head teacher deciding whether or not a misdemeanour warranted three strokes of his cane or not in my school days




Am .. er.. OK .. my eldest son is almost 20 .. my twins almost 18.. and our youngest just 2 and half years

Am a consultant medic in my own field .. so I think I must admit that I passed test aged 17 years and had a RoSPA gold before completed my final exams .. trained at St Andrews.. had hard choices between golf, whisky, girls, cars Don't tell Wildy

But have to say my licence issued at age 17 had not one blemish .. nor have I had an accident.

I will have to say that incidents happen to the innocent best of us.

My wife Wildy who posts occasionally on this site and more often to Pistonheads. Colourful.. funny.. infuriating and cannot type two words .. .. which leads to all kinds of daft twaddle from those who claim that a quaint mis-spelling of "is" and "and" makes her "impossible to undertand" when "i" see lots of other spelling and grammatical errors which even I as a native speaker have to read twice to fully understand.

She nearly lost her life when someone was taken ill behind the wheel of his car.

Her eldest cousin died when a lorry with defective everything veered in rush hour traffic across the other two lanes.. crashed through the central reserve barriers and into the car crawling in L3. The Swiss chap died instantly. We still thank our God that he probably never knew what hit him at the time. Never saw.. never suffered. His family suffered at the time.. and our routine lives still think .. "What would Ferdl have thought of .. this .. that.. the other.. " and it would be very dishonest of me to say that these thoughts have no sadness, regret or feeling of a void left by Ferdl within them - but on the other hand .. we do remember him with much warmth and love... and through us who knew him (and Rudi who died in a plane crash).. the quintessential existence does not die or fade.

So you see - Rick - the ones who profess to be "pee cee tolerant and not racist" are not as "pure" as they seem Yes .. of course as Wildy 's husband .. I defend her just as Martin stands by and protects his wife. This does not mean Martin and his wife are disrespected.. quite the contrary.. though we reserve the right to disgagree respectfully with Mrs Martin I am sure if she is reading.. she will chuckle to herself and hopefully .. er.. she may try to balance the two polarisations to be herself.. and form her own views which could be per In Gear.. accepting error within normal reason and stamping hard on the definitely disrespectful and illegal beyond decency



Only if you read the maps and the prat sites

talivans can move at the last minute and tolerances seem to vary. It also seems calibration may be a bit dodgy too.

I admit to liking my origin gadget. It warns me of blackspots and speed limit on these blackspots.

It tells me when I am in a mile radius of any school. Useful if in a strange area. Schools are not on main roads., Most are tucked down residentials. Kids saunter along the quietish side streets and .. lulled into false security .. may jay-walk.

My gadget forewarns me in enough time. Forewarned = fore armed and VIGILANT more so than ever as a result



familiarity has problems. People become "blase" and forget .. even believe they are legal.

Our submarinated Speed Finder Genera;l when challenged about the dangers to the tourist industry does take a glee in pointing out the locals and not the tourists get pinged

People get pinged by out of sight mobiles on motorway bridges and both Wildy and self have come across crude attempts to conceal fixed Gatsos to our Southern neighbour Hiding them behind road side furniture.. removing the "tell tale" paint on the tarmac.. and so on...

So... perhaps not quite as clear cut as you are thinking here .. Rick.

Next time you see a speed "trap" or trap. - take some time out.. sit by it for an hour observing. The Swiss morons did just that .. and filmed it. It was enlightening ... educating...and they chose 50 randon sites across country. It convinced them that speed cams do not cop dangerous.. only the inadvertent who believe themselves to be 100% legal all the time.. but who get pinged and "converted" when the NIP arrives





Yep.. fear of litigation even closed schools. I had to attend in worse weather and my own kids in the Independent School had to attend. The fosters had the day off. We contacted the school our own attend (and before anyone asks.. the fosters have to attend the school our social service dictate about.

But .. closing down schools in the snow.. gives a message that you skive paid work if it snows and is "dangerous"

A blame or ambulance chasing society is borne out of a pee-cee removal of responsibility and accountability.

It manifests itself in blaming everyone else for your mistakes - and
failing to choose a safe speed to proceed .. even if this is below the speed limit and failing one or more of IG's and Franklin's COAST requirements.

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Smilies are contagious
They are just like the flu
We use our smilies on YOU today
Now Good Causes are smiling too!

KEEP SMILING
It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

Smily to penny.. penny to pound
safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !
But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.

REALLY? dont even go there

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Lets go back to the days of no speed cameras when all driving convictions were due to police stopping drivers and in due course prosecuting drivers for all offences and lets go another step further back to say 40 years ago
A) How many vehicles were on the road then?
B) How many fatal accidents were there then?
C) How many vehicles are on the roads now?
D) How many accidents are now fatals bearing in mind all the safety technology in modern cars?
E) What is the equivalant ratio of cars / accidents from 40 years ago to present day for fatal / serious accidents?
Are there less deaths now than 40 years ago with a lot more cars on the road ?
What I am getting at is zero deaths in accidents will never happen (that is a fact of life) as you will NEVER eliminate the idiot who totally disregards the law and gets a thrill out of "the chase" so to speak, there are always ones who get a buzz out of trying to outrun the police in a pursuit situation and unfortunately the police have to decide whether it is safe to carry on or wait for another day and whatever they do they never get it right in the eyes of the public.
Even with all the modern technology in cars now there is still nothing to replace the nut behind the wheel a car will only move at the speed the driver makes it go at!
I once saw a sign in a car that summed it up admirably "Designed by a Computer- Built by a Robot & Driven by a Moron!"
On a serious note though considering the higher volume of cars on british roads now I would have thought that the accident rate per car miles has actaully been reduced from 40 years ago ?

Yes, true, but the remarkable break in trend of improvement - for the worse, occurs at the time scamering started. Well I never.

See http://www.safespeed.org.uk/fatality.html