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I'm not talking about A roads, but in certain situations like a 40 limit driving into a head wind I can still smell the fags of the car in front when travelling at a safe distance.

Is it the ideals of a non smoker to not want to breathe secondhand smoke? People choose to smoke.

adam L

All I am tiring to say (probably in a crap way ) in terms of pollutants breathed in, while driving, or walking around and about cigarettes Probably is not that bad. Yes the smell does permeate, but so does the black crap that comes out of turbo diesels some of you insist on driving .(even when driving at a safe distance)

I find it difficult; while I do not smoke, I believe people have the right to smoke if they want to. I do not particularly like the smell either, but it washes out. Is several ppm of smoke going to damage your car/house/heath that much? If you consider how much crap you breath in as you walk around towns etc.

I don’t like the thought of being spied on while I am going about my business.

It seems to me this country is not as tolerant as it pretends to be. We are allowed to persecute people because they smoke or drive a big car. This tolerant society is bullshit . We are not allowed to dislike homosexuals (for example ),but perfectly entitled to persecute and say quite horrible things about smokers, or someone who has said something that could be considered racist. It amazes me people fail to see the irony in their actions.

Live and let live

hating homosexuals is only an example I love homosexuals, but not in that way . Not that is wrong, if it your personal choice so be it

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People choose to smoke; people choose not to smoke. What's the difference? They are equally valid choices.

We REALLY need to create a 'live and let live' society, where we try to find a best compromise when peoples' valid choices come into conflict.

What we do NOT need is the Ban It Because I Don't Like It Society.

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I think the problem with smoking is that it can affect other people.
If you do it in your own house with all the windows closed then it's not going to, but if you do it in the middle of a crowd then it will.

I suppose it's a bit like 'muck spreading' on your back garden, it probably won't affect your neighbours health but they might not like the smell.

I went to a night club once. It seemed to be full of people smoking and they had the doors closed. It took me about a week to be able to breathe properly after that.

I really don't know what to do about it though.

If it is possible to make a device which catches all of the smoke that might be a good idea. Also it could then be 're-breathed' so would presumably save money making each one last longer? And you could get the smoke from both ends.

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Andrew.

I don't see a law banning smoking. I see a law restricting smoking in certain places. For many years now smoking has been restricted on public transport and aircraft. Now it will be restricted in workplaces. The majority of people do not smoke, so why should they be [effectively] forced to work in any place that is filled with tobacco smoke ?
In reality, they could have prosecuted the smoker for assault if he/she refused to stop smoking if asked...few did.
If somebody asks me for a lift, that's ok. If they then start to smoke and refuse to stop, they walk. Irrespective about your individual beliefs about the harm, or not, of smoking. If the lung capacity of a non smoker is measured before spending a night in the pub [with smokers]and after, it is found that the persons lung capacity is lower after. Whether they are more prone to cancer is hardly the point. They are certainly more prone to bronchitis, which is one of the respiratory diseases classed as Congestive Obstructive Respiratory Disease. These are almost always debilitating and frequently lead to premature death.
The smokers where I work are already saying they'll refuse to pay any attention to the law (21 employees, 6 smokers). Unfortunately for them, it will be the employers responsibility to ensure adherence to law.

Unfortunately it's not the law that's the ass - it's the method of enforcement that's bringing the law into disrepute. Article in Sun today (might have been on Clarkson page ) showed the rate of disregard for the law was minimal in Scotland (with few if any council employees involved in enforcement ) ,versus the gearing up of multitudes of English undercover snoops .
Funny that in finance etc , the industry is "self enforcing " ,yet anything like motoring/ smoking/drinking -draconian laws need to be brought in and enforced by countless additional council employees.

my neighbour's toilet window is frequently open.

Can I prosecute them for their overly-obnoxious smelling s**t smell that wafts into our bedroom???

Maybe I could ask the council for "curry-cams"???

Simon

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Simon

Smoking is a choice, not smoking is a choice.

If you happen to be easily offended by the smell of smoke, and someone nearby is smoking, then move. It is not unreasonable to draw the similarity with some boy-racer who is tailgating you; find yourself a different piece of road.

The problem is that people let their ego get in the way of their true desire. If you want somewhere without smoke, go there. Trying to force someone who is already smoking to leave their space because of you is never going to have an amicable outcome. Be the bigger man and find your own clean air.

Whilst non-smokers might claim to have the right to breath clean air wheresoever they choose to park their breathing apparatus, they probably have no idea of what it is like being addicted to cigarettes. Should not smokers also have the right to not be 'jonesing' in the place where they choose to spend their recreational time?

My 'local' is the Live and Let Live in Stanway, Colchester - one of two pubs in the Country so-named.
The Landlord is building a shelter for smokers outside in preparation for the final ban.
The news of the formation of 'Gordon's Gophers' has triggered a bet as to how far one of these twats could get in the pub, having issued a fixed penalty to a smoker, before they entered the world of pain... The range is 1.5 to 6 metres with the heavy betting on 1.8 to 3.1 metres.
If you want respiratory problems, try walking about four miles along a trunk road used by general traffic. After about three miles, you can smell the sweetness of a petrol engine as it clears the vile diesel from your throat and lungs.
Or, better still, light up a fag - it will do you less harm...

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Aquila



Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

I'm a Ex-smoker, but I gave it up decades ago.......wouldn't light one now if you paid me. I have to say, I walked into a bar in Germany recently and I couldn't see the other side of the room!.... In the end it got too much for me.

I'm NOT an Anti-smoking fanatic, (I don't like it mind!).....but, What's wrong with the "Smoking Rooms" of old?........

I was all in favour of the public places smoking ban - anything that encourages smokers to cut down or, better still, quit altogether is a good thing.

But after reading about Councils' plans to violate peoples' privacy in the name of enforcement, I am 50/50 at best.

If I'm out having a drink with my mistress, I don't want ANYONE taking photos of us and sending copies to my home address as "evidence", thankyou very much. Famous people get paid thousands to put up with that kind of crap. I don't.

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“For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.” - H. L. Mencken

I'll agree with that, but that then creates another problem.

If everybody in the UK gave up smoking tomorrow, the treasury would lose £9 billion.
One way or another they would have to recoup that, and the only way they could do that would be to hit people with even more taxes in one form or another.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

I thought that was pretty clever, the way you slipped the diesel reference into the thread. Totally irrelevant and unfounded but clever.

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"Experience isn't everything - but it's most of it".

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

FYI, I did that very walk just over a week ago alongside a traffic jam caused by roadworks lights showing red in both directions for 20 minutes before one of the HiViz-monkeys noticed. Two thirds of the vehicles were powered by paraffin stoves but among them was a Lotus Exige that seemed to offer a 'haven' of sweet-smelling air among the trucks, buses and rep-tile Vectras. As, to the best of my knowledge, Lotus do not make a coal-fired version of the Exige, I have to conclude that my sense of smell was correct.
Furthermore, I also conclude that my snot does not turn black when I spend an hour or two in my local pub as it did walking four miles home that day, so irrelevance and foundation of same is in the eye of the beholder, tovarisch...

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Aquila



Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

Believe me, this has already been anticipated by the Government. I think that tax on alcohol will be upped to compensate - Labour keep coming back to our (apparently brand new) "binge drinking" problem, and I'm certain that this is a ploy to soften us up for big tax hikes on booze.

And then, there's always road pricing.

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“For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.” - H. L. Mencken

If you compare petrol to diesel, diesel is a dirty fuel. There are more particulates from diesels. (I also put a reference about dirty diesels)

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Well, with just over 1300 pubs having closed last year, they may as well ban alchohol as well.

'Furthermore, I also conclude that my snot does not turn black when I spend an hour or two in my local pub as it did walking four miles home that day, '

Your nose is working well, then?

One of the reasons that I don't want to work in London, apart from the 2 hour commute, obscene ticket prices and having to stand all the way, is that every time I've been there, even if only travelling by train and tube, blowing my nose has been equivalent to emptying half the coal mines in Britain. Yuk.

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