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Do they need to log all this data?
If I don't want my movements tracked and don't want to be constantly filmed how do I make sure they don't do it?

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Andrew.

don't move
don't go outside

Instead, sit on your computer and discuss your predicament with the insane community of conspiracy theorists on the internet.

ANPR information is just so insignificant in the whole world of data that IS (quite legally) captured and kept about you that you could instead learn to stop worrying about it.

As I've said before - worry more about the information that people who are good at it are keeping, than the information people who are crap at it are capturing and keeping about you. Tesco know more about their shoppers (and credit card holders, insurance customers, loan recipients) than the government can ever hope to know about you - based on the fact that Tesco know how to do this kind of thing, and as has been proved many times over, the civil service have trouble finding their own arses with a torch, a compass and map and detailed instructions, so they bring in consultancies who don't give a monkey about building the capability they have been contracted to deliver as they know they will be paid even if they deliver a swan vestas box with a bit of tape attached as the new database.

The underlying principle here is one of how you approach life. Woody Allen once said that he saw life as a tragedy with comic interludes - I see life as a comedy with occasional tragic scenes. That's important to me, as it works alongside my other basic tenet of life (stolen, I will freely admit, from the Baz Luhrmann film "Strictly Ballroom"): A life lived in fear is a life half lived. Whilst I know (better than most) how much data analysis is realistically possible (which is less than trash media or internet speculation would lead you to believe), I don't let it worry me because that way madness lies. Or perhaps a career in tabloid journalism.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

would the ANPR read this as a non registered vehicle and tell the operator for a stop check anyway ,

i just wonder sometimes if we are getting too paranoid about cameras, if they are used to solve a crime / find witnesses i don't see a problem, ok this post refers to the M27 where no doubt plod was trying to identify factors leading to a fatal on that road, i would imagine the camera systems are the first piece of evidence plod turn to with events like 7/7, the Norwich murders, maybe the Yorkshire ripper would have been caught earlier if ANPR was available

'legal' just means that the authorities tell themselves they are allowed to do it. That doesn't make it right.
Why waste our money collecting data like this? It isn't needed.

It's different with supermarkets, that's their own money, it's not taxed out of us, we can choose not to pay them.
Yeah, I'm sure they collect a lot of data. I saw a "scan as you shop" type thing in use the other day... Now they know (at very least) the time you entered the store, and exactly when you scanned each item. Add some kind of sensors and they can know what route you took around the store, where you loitered, which parts of the store aren't being looked at... Maybe that's worse but that's not being done with our taxed money.

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Andrew.

The UK has about 1% of the world's population - and 20% of its CCTV cameras.



Because they can - and nobody stops to think why. There should be senior policemen preventing wastes of money like this but, unfortunately, they are political lackeys with little concept of fairness and justifiable actions. I agree this data collection isn't needed.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

And now - seen in the Coventry Evening Telegraph --"Lolipop Cams" - nothing on CET web site yet - seems Warks County are going to equip lollipop persons with a camera to track down abuse to and of the system.
This comes on the heels of Warks (and possibly other forces) police cam ( cams mounted on Police helmets).


Can we now expect to see a large recruiting drive for police dogs - to be fitted with doggie cams to patrol town centres ---or is that taking this lunacy a shade too far ( possible be a fight for the results from corgi cam on a hot sumer day )

Your blase attitude is all very well, but its exactly that that the Fabian principal of evolution over revolution relies on. It's like the frog in a slowly boiling pot of water, the change occurs so slowly that by the time the populace realises, its too late. Its also known as the death of democracy by a thousand cuts.

But you're right, theres no step change to panic over, so what the heck, you're alright Jack, why stir your stump opposing minor changes.

All that is required for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

now you are talking lets get a camera filming the camera operators filming us

I did that once. They dented their van.

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Andrew.

square square, or the standard two line plate?

kommander ken's kongestion revenue cameras have no trouble reading mine (centrally mounted two line) on the occasions I've forgo- sorry, tried to "evade" paying.

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Fear is a weapon of mass distraction

It is less to do with £60 than losing a quarter of a driving licence.

I thought this new ANPR scheme was fairly well known on this forum, people here were getting annoyed when it was first announced that there would be ANPR every 400 metres on the motorways, and possibly in other places too. I posted that a friend of mine who works in police IT was complaining about this project because the IT managers wanted full backups every night, meaning he had to find a way to backup something like 3 terabytes every night, on a 24/7 system.

Given that the data just needs to store numberplate and date/time, so 7 bytes for the plate, and 4 bytes for the date/time, lets throw in 4 more for database overhead, that's 15 bytes for a record. That means that they plan to store 219,902,325,555 numberplates in the database. I can't remember if it was to be kept for 3 or 6 years, so lets call it 6...

That is 36,650,387,593 plates per year or 100,412,021 plates per day.

And this is for one police force area, not for the whole country, I am not going to state which police force for obvious reasons (internet detectives: don't bother looking at my location in my profile, the force is not Thames Valley)

I strongly doube there are 100 million vehicles passing through this particular area in a day, I have no figures for that, but it still implies a lot of cameras.

Or, I suppose, the database could have been built by complete idiots who are storing the numberplates in a VARCHAR(500), this is government work after all.

And I imagine that the DPA does not apply until they request that the DVLA provide them with the registered keepers details.

Wouldn't that just be 8 bytes per plate, regardless of the number in brackets?

What if there was a separate table linking numberplates (7 bytes) to an integer type number (3 bytes = ~3 million, 4 bytes = ~4 billion possible numberplates), so each log entry could be even smaller?

Sorry, I guess I'm in a database mood.

But yeah, "government IT project".

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Andrew.