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Mike, thanks for your reply. Yes, often it is frustrating not to have a wide space, and I regularly park as far away as poss to reduce the likelihood of someone wedging me in.

However my post was really in response to those who have a problem with the allocation of parent/child parking spaces? I don't understand the grumbling? It's along the lines of "it's not fair.....". I would like to know why there is resentment for these spaces and why people who don't need them feel they have to use them?

Had three kids, All used child seats. never had a problem. so why do you?

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I'm not the one with the problem, remember It's the others here who are complaining about them.

Sorry I thought this was your quote!

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Yes, it was. Your point?

Had kids, went shopping, didn't need "special" parking. Mum ant tots parking is a waste of space.

Got it..!

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Yes, in your opinion. I disagree. For me, they serve a purpose. They certainly mean I can avoid problems with getting the infant carrier in and out of the door.

If people don't agree with them, perhaps they need to lobby the appropriate body to have them converted, rather than deny their use by the people they are intended for use for.

At least we know you won't be complaining when a mother accidentally dents your car door while trying to get the baby out.

Always worth reading the thread through first.

Try and keep up luv...

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So mums and tots is a highly useful waste of space? Your seem slightly confused Gizmo.

You got it...

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This doesn't even make sense. If you are clumsily trying to say that providing 20+ disabled spaces is pandering to PC then I disagree, totally and utterly and completely.




A statistic? That would demonstrate what precisely? Not everything needs to be proven or evidenced through statistics.



Actually, I'm standing up for what I feel; standing up to ignorance and selfishness, the blight of modern society.



*Real patronising mode*
The argument wouldn't need simpifying if you could actually articulate it in proper English



You don't even know what's being talked about when the Nanny State crops up as a topic do you?

Well I am glad we got that one sorted out....

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Looks like I touched a nerve somewhere for you to post what really turned out to be more of a personal attack on myself than anything else lol, anyway here you go;



It was actually meant to be a sarcastic way saying that the word pandaring was indeed the correct phrase.


So, not knowing how many disabled badge owners/drivers there are would not help in the matter of determining how many diabled parking spaces are needed on the whole?



By taring everyone in modern society with the same brush?



Oh I see, the internet is about the correct use of English, BTW lol@proper English.



Is the state not telling us disabled people need parking no matter where and how many spaces because its best for everyone?

To stop the kitten from getting wet in the rain of course. We park well away anyway.... More trouble than it's worth trying to park up in these spaces and then fiddling around getting youngest kitten out of her car seat with minimum fuss and into pram... Might as well park well away from other vehicles ... that way we can keep eye on two small boys as well as sort out little Rachael.

But would agree .. too many disabled spaces lying empty and too many disabled badges give to people who are not really disabled but know how to paly the system

Well sorry about the attack, but I'm more attacking the views you put forward. I cannot agree with them in any way.



I fail to see how I'm tarring everyone with the same brush.




Well it does help to get your meaning across. But apologies for being personal.



No, I'm sorry but I don't see it that way, the expresion Nanny State is one that gets overused because it's the 'today' gripe to make about the government.
Disabled people have a need for parking to the same extent that everyone else does. I just feel that providing spaces conveniently close to the mall or on the right level for the shops, is a good and altruistic thing to do. The number of spaces only really becomes an issue when all of the others have genuinely run out (not just the ones on the same level ).
At that point I will concede that everyone is then in the same boat, and I suppose if we are to treat the able and disabled equally (as they are constantly demanding) then those spaces should be up for grabs for anyone to use.
Unfortunately, there are those who will use them anyway because they are conveniently close to the shops, when the alternative is to walk a few extra yards across the carpark or up a flight of steps or two. That is just bloody ignorant, and indicative of the rotting values that are corroding our society from within.

Given that it's supposed to be the season of goodwill there seems a distinct lack of it in this thread

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That raises something interesting. Goodwill given is a wonderful thing. Goodwill taken by a third party is very different.

We can't be required to show goodwill without altering the fundamental nature of the bestowment.

(edited to change "with" to "without". Doh!)

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No, obviously not, and it is only goodwill if it is freely given.

However it seems a little unfortunate to me that at this particular time of year people should be carping about the provision of facilities that are there to help those less fortunate than themselves. I would be surprised if anyone on this forum had ever been inconvenienced to anything more than a negligible amount by the provision of more disabled parking spaces than are strictly necessary.

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

No problem, being dyslexic I tend to take things to heart more than some people, especially if a person attacks my use of English lol.



I don`t think modern society has become selfish as a whole, unfourtunatly with the dawn of the TV we get to see acts of selfishness on a almost daily basis. I will however agree that road users seem to be growing ever more selfish, even simple things like letting a vehicle out of a sideroad in traffic is out of the question for some people.



You get used to typing how you would talk and forget things may not sound as clear written down as they would from the mouth




Please remember that I am not disagreeing with disabled parking at all, just local councils abusing them, maybe your council doesnt but ours certainly does, I would like to them enforced far more aggressively as to try and curb abuse rather than creating yet more disabled parking to try and fix the problem.

I don`t think they should be scrapped all together, when well placed and enforced ridgedly they work wonders, but when far to many are placed it becomes all to tempting for those people to use them, and usually use the ones closest to the shops that are needed most by the genuinely disabled.

ThRu5h,

You are right to observe that it is an emotive issue, I've just remembered something else relating to this subject.
Gloucester hospital, where my mum works as a volunteer, introduced a pay-and-display scheme in their carpark. It was sadly necessary because the carpark was being shamelessly abused by people working nearby - there was often no room for patients and visitors to park
My mum got into a conversation with others at the hospital about whether the disabled should pay like everyone else - my mum argued they should and was looked at in aghast by some of the others.
When she asked them to justify why they shouldn't pay they got stuck at 'well, they are disabled aren't they?' - nobody could come up with a better reason.