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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 20:07 
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BBC.co.uk wrote:
Motorists hit by card clone scam

Thousands of motorists who use a bank card to buy petrol are thought to have lost millions of pounds in an international criminal operation.
It is believed cards are being skimmed at petrol stations, where the card details and pin numbers are retrieved and money withdrawn from the account.

About 200 of the UK's 9,500 petrol stations are thought to have been hit.

The Sri Lankan government claims the rebel Tamil Tigers are to blame but police say there is no definite link.

Police are investigating complaints made in Edinburgh, Norwich, Bury St Edmunds, Peterborough, Nottingham, Leeds, Bristol and Hull.


In Hull, the economic crime section of Humberside Police are checking thousands of receipts for fuel bought with credit or debit cards at one petrol station.

Detective Inspector Paul Welton, of Humberside Police, said "Quite clearly this was well-organised and it was done on an international basis."

Those alleged to have been involved were able to obtain card details and pin numbers and put them together to clone the cards, police said.

The site in Hull is now under new management, and the new owners are not linked to the police inquiry.

Sean Gillespie, one of thousands of possible victims, noticed his bank account was being emptied of small amounts over weeks, amounting to thousands of pounds.


"I knew how much had been taken but how it was taken was an absolute mystery to me," he said.

Other fraud victims have contacted the BBC News website and some said it happened at BP petrol stations.

A BP spokeswoman said between 10 and 12 of their 1,300 sites nationwide had been affected and the firm had issued additional security advice to staff.

She advised customers to insert their bank cards into the chip and pin devices themselves and be careful no-one could see them entering their pin numbers.

Ray Holloway, from the Petrol Retailers Association, said his members had tried to tackle the problem by training staff and checking machinery.

But he added: "The criminal gangs that are involved in this offer quite large sums of money to some employees in order to actually be involved in it."

'Arms funding'

Most of the UK's petrol stations are independently run which means they are susceptible to being infiltrated by organised crime.

Maxwell Keegel, first secretary of the Sri Lankan High Commission in London, said the Sri Lankan government had evidence to suggest the scam was being used to fund the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE).

Independent security sources told BBC correspondent Keith Doyle these claims were credible.

But a Humberside police spokesman said: "Our evidence does not suggest there is a definite link with Sri Lankan gangs."





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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 20:48 
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A BP spokeswoman said between 10 and 12 of their 1,300 sites nationwide had been affected and the firm had issued additional security advice to staff.

She advised customers to insert their bank cards into the chip and pin devices themselves and be careful no-one could see them entering their pin numbers.


I love the helpfull advice regarding our pins. The idea of being watched while entering my pin had never occured to me, as i prod it into the "open for all to see" keypad. it's good that BP pay the wages of clever people like her to give us this advice, instead of, oh I dunno, wasting it on some stupid & pointless privacy covers for the f**king things.

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The idea of being watched while entering my pin had never occured to me, as i prod it into the "open for all to see" keypad. i


you need fast fingers then, the cloaking device used on ATM's is an add on with a watcher close by,


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Of course the chip in impossible to copy. It's a shame then that magnetic strip is still being used.


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Our local post office has two windows, with the machines placed on the left hand side, where they can be seen from the front window.
Nobody bothers moving them or shielding them!

When I twisted one away from view, I was asked to move it back because little pensioners couldn't see the screen with it tipped up so high!
I despair when staff obviously don't have the proper training!

You can of course change your PIN regularly... if you can remember the changes.

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Of course the chip in impossible to copy.

It's only a computer (Ok, so a very, very small one)...
The security hasn't been cracked. Yet...

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Don't forget, most filling stations have CCTV pointed at the customers at the till. Just focus the camera properly with a telephoto lens, clone the card, look at the tape to get the PIN and voila!

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Don't forget, most filling stations have CCTV pointed at the customers at the till. Just focus the camera properly with a telephoto lens, clone the card, look at the tape to get the PIN and voila!

You don't even need to do that if you have one of the "rogue" systems that found their way into some "Shell" stations... Someone at the software company had placed a trojan into the code that enabled the systems to record the keystrokes used for the PIN... :-)

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malcolmw wrote:
Don't forget, most filling stations have CCTV pointed at the customers at the till. Just focus the camera properly with a telephoto lens, clone the card, look at the tape to get the PIN and voila!



And there were reports last time of staff using their own cameras :roll:


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nicycle wrote:
Of course the chip in impossible to copy. It's a shame then that magnetic strip is still being used.


Yeah. But sky used the same smartcard system. You can buy "cloned" skycards as well. So much so that the cards are now specific to a particular sky box.
Crook doesn't equal stupid. There are some very clever crooks out there.


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Ziltro wrote:
It's only a computer (Ok, so a very, very small one)...
The security hasn't been cracked. Yet...


Probably because there is no need to.

It's pretty easy to put through additional "verified by pin" transactions if you have access to the on-site equipment, ie you are an employee of the petrol station. It's sent in cleartext the pin is not included, just a "verified by pin" yes/no flag.

All this "make sure no-one sees you enter your pin" advice is bollocks intended to make you feel secure while at the same time offloading responsibility for fraud onto you ie. "you must have given your pin to someone" without any pesky signature checks.


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