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well the other day i got caught speeding by a copper with a laser gun
he pulled me over and told me what was happening
i probably was over the limit but there was a car infront of me
i was stopped and talked to for 5 mins and as i was doing 59 in a 30 i just shut up and listened now what i dont understand is he said i will hear from them to tell me what was going to happen to me
i was speeding as i thought i was being chased and i told the copper this he didnt care less though
now have i recieved my NIP or do i await this in the post as he gave me nothing and i signed nothing
whats going to happen the road is wide and a fast road anyway and it was 7 on a sunday night good weather quiet road no people around.
no previous points or bad things nearly 4 yeas driving


so what am i in for and does the whole 14 day rulke apply here or is it the 6 months they have to send it to me?

cheers for any help as im confused and worried

In most cases when stopped by police you will have received a "verbal NIP" and the 14 day rule does not apply.

Your best bet is to get over to Pepipoo, where you'll find the best free legal advice on the net.

http://www.pepipoo.com

We're more specialised in the relationships between speed and safety. Pepipoo are specialised in "helping the motorist to get justice".

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You must be very confused if you thought were "probably over the limit" but then say it was "59 in a 30".

Drifting a couple of miles over limit in a 30 i can just about understand, but to be going that much over is deliberate and you can't complain that you got caught.

As Paul said, you should be given a verbal NIP, something like ‘You will be reported for the consideration of the question of prosecution for the offence of exceeding the speed limit.’ Usually people remember the words ‘Consideration’ and ‘Question’.

If you didn't get a verbal Notice of Intended Prosecution, you should receive one within 14 days from the offence date.

If you dispute the speed or the recording method, by all means search Pepipoo for any indication of bad practice and use it. It helps keep us on our toes.

Speeds of over 50 mph in a 30mph limit are not able to be dealt with under the fixed penalty system, which is why you may not have any paperwork. I’d usually fill in a little ‘producer’ form requesting production of your driving docs, on which I’d highlight the speed recorded. You may however have produced the relevant documentation to the officer at the time which means there is no need to issue any paperwork to you. You should have been left in no doubt that the officer has reported you and you are likely to be receiving a summons.

At 59 mph you will likely be summonsed to mags court. I wouldn’t like to hazard a guess about a penalty on a guilty plea, but the courts might certainly be minded to issue a short period of disqualification. Your previous good driving record and the quiet road / weather conditions should be offered as mitigation.

The ‘being chased’ explanation will hold little water if that patently wasn’t the case, i.e. there wasn’t someone else doing 59 mph behind you (as well as one in front of you). In my experience it would sound to the court that you are simply trying to offer any defence you can think of. If there is a reason why you might think you were being chased then present and evidence that in court as mitigation, but it’s not going to work if, you’re then going to say that you felt it was safe to travel at that speed because it was a quiet Sunday night on a straight wide road.



If you accept you were doing that speed, ask yourself honestly, why?

If you feel that the reason is going to help at court then tell them.

If not, keep it under your hat!

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Fixed ideas are like cramp, for instance in the foot, yet the best remedy is to step on them.

Ian

Yeah. I suspect it's a troll attempt.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Yes. There are a few 30 limits where 59 mph might not be an unreasonable speed (generally those that used to be NSLs) but not all that many, TBH.

If someone is doing 59 in a proper 30 limit, or even one that should really be a 40, then I have little sympathy - it suggests he is severely lacking in both observation and the instinct of self-preservation.

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

First of all - agree 100% with Ian's reply to you.

If you thought you were being chased - then no doubt the other guy would have been stopped and I would probably have booked the pair of you for "racing on a public highway" - because there are ways and means of shaking off an alleged "chaser " the obvious being pull in and just let him overtake you as he would be person zapped for speeding and not you in this case, slow down and give him space to move into in front of you, turn into a side street....

Discretion to me means I have to be satisfied you are not a threat to others and, quite frankly, 59 mph in a 30 mph zone is taking the proverbials....big time!

As both Peter and Paul have pointed out - in one sentence you say you are probably over the limit and following the car in front of you... then it is twice the urban speed limit and then you are being chased

My advice - get your story straight and just tell the truth in court. If a short ban would mean particular hardship to you - make sure the court is made aware of this and you may just emerge from the proceedings with a whopping fine and 3-6 points if you are lucky.. and if the mag has got out of bed in a good mood!

May I suggest you visit "its your duty bogush's lair" http://www.network54.com/Forum/96157 where speeders, boy racers and gun toters are most welcome. The owner believes 60mph is an appropriate speed around Nottingham Ring Road, past schools, houses and 2 hospitals. He also believes cars purify the air and the world would be safer if we all had guns (as in America).

Congratulations to everyone here for not rising to the bait (nothing to do with me but a corker).

Got a psychological fixation with 'Bogush' haven't you?

BTW, you ?'forgot'? to mention the 'Trolls/Spammers & 'Fanatical' Anti car freaks' who used to blight his forum using numerous I/Ds whilst posing as speeders, boy racers and gun toters, among other things

You claim to be 'banned' from there now, is this the reason you are so upset ?
Nowhere to 'play' now ?

Hello John - Yes I've got plenty of places to play. thank you.

Hows the armoury?

Still GROWING.... Thanks to the new outlet on Chilwell Rd !!
I shall be fully supporting this gentlemans business......
...See you there ??

I'm still a regular customer at the shops on Hartley Rd and Derby Rd too !
(Great Selections)
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Back on topic.......Safespeed wrote:

I became suspicious of this at the beginning of the thread.
He, "Thought" he was "Being chased"....(by the car IN FRONT of him )

As I/G said, there are ways of "Shaking off" an Alleged Chaser.....And I say, travelling at almost double the posted limit can only be 'deliberate and intentional' and deserves the 'full whack' from the 'Mags'



It was STILL a 30mph zone and you have NO excuse for your 'reckless' actions.
As for, "No points or Bad things", this just means you were never caught....?till now?.


Hanbo...(Ex-Cop!)

It's surprising how many boy-racers, contributors to this forum and Bogush's are also gun collectors and supporters isn't it John.

It's a long time since those days in Coventry.......Been in touch with any of the lads lately?

Errrrrmmm....I'm hardly a Boy and, I'm certainly no Racer
(I am opposed too 'excessive/inappropriate speed')




George................

Errrrrmmm Been over doing the sherry by any chance


What ARE you ON about

Next, you'll be saying that I'm a 'Boozer'


BTW, this is hardly the place for such a discussion !

Paul may take exception to it.

How do you have any idea how many, or what proportion, of the contributors to this forum are gun collectors and supporters.

And, except in the world of warped logic, you don't have to be a "supporter" of an activity to oppose banning it.

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Hope you all had a Merry Christmas.

It looks like you had an exceptionally "merry" one Georgedagnes!

Nut Cutlets for Chrsitmas Lunch?

Where are all these "boy racers", George?

Let me let you in on a little secret or two, George:

Cars don't Kill, neither does "Speed", nor "Guns". As someone pointed out on the Nottingham Evening Post fora a while back: you might as well blame obesity on forks!

Now then, George, here's something else that you, as a, shall we call you, "novice" in these matters, seem to be unable to grasp:

Restricting law abiding citizens from safely using motor vehicles and the road transport infrastructure with ill thought out knee-jerk reaction laws to pacify hysterically emotional activists has led to a reversal of the formerly falling fatality trends.

Similarly firearms "controls" legislation through the years has led to increases in not just the criminal use of firearms, but increases in crime.

Hardly surprising then that reasonable and sensible people interested in the protection of the public, a successful society and legitimate laws should be found on fora telling the truth about "guns" and "speed".

Especially as the same kind of tactics are used against both.

See:

http://www.guncite.com/journals/okslip.html

Unfortunately it's also hardly surprising that anti-gun, anti-car, pro-state control, pro mass-cattle-truck-transit activists should follow them to those fora.

Do tell us again about how you not only used to drive, but drove ambulances.

But no longer do after attending too many traumatic car accidents, now prefering "public" transport.

And confirm that if you had attended a few of the recent rail collisions you would now be refusing to travel by "public" transport and be actively campaigning in support of cars.

And that you believe that trains should be forced to travel slowly enough to be able to stop in time to avoid accidents.

Or am I misunderstanding where you're coming from?


PS Why do you insist on claiming that you have been banned from my forum?

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There is only one question worthy of reply amongst your usual diatribe of rubbish Bogush which includes the assertation thet we'd all be safer if we all carried more guns!!!! You forgot to mention that cars purify the air and if it weren't for the motorist we'd all be suffering severe global climate change!

I shall simply respond with a paste from your web-site when I try to gain access:

Blocked Access.

The owner of this forum has blocked access to your network address.

You can make any allegations you like, Georgeda, doesn't make them right.


Seen the new Peugeot, is it, ad, Georgeda?

Now, all those reports on "traffic" causing health problems, which "traffic" did they blame, again, George?

Oh, it was buses and trains (and the power stations that fuel trams), wasn't it?


QED to me Georgeda. Doesn't say that you have been banned, does it Georgeda?

I can only assume that you are trying to post through that server I've blocked because I kept receiving massive posts of random cut and paste spam through it (with hard copies sent throught the mail).

Strange that.

But if you try to post through a non blocked server, you will find that you, personally, are not banned, old boy.

Now, should, or should not, trains keep their speeds down to a safe level?

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Yep

And should or should not cars, land rovers, trailers etc stay off the railway tracks? - Just as trains stay off motorways - a deal?

Please refresh my memory as to how many car passengers have been killed on the M1 in the second half of the last century. It's easy to remember how many rail passengers were killed on the parallel Midland Railway/LMS/BR/Midlandmainline track during the WHOLE of the last century - ZERO.

"Doesn't say that you have been banned, does it Georgeda? "

Not Me just my computer.

May I remind you that computers do not post messages - just as guns don't kill people.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/ ... crash.html

http://www.nottinghameveningpost.co.uk/ ... ebarsearch

http://www.nottinghameveningpost.co.uk/ ... ebarsearch


http://www.nottinghameveningpost.co.uk/ ... ebarsearch

http://www.nottinghameveningpost.co.uk/ ... ebarsearch


http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/pos ... _page.html


http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/010 ... _page.html

http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/010 ... _page.html

I could go on and on Bogush. These are just daily events from 3 cities. When a train comes off the rails and people are killed (not happened for 17 months prior to the recent one caused by a road vehicle) it's BIG news and taken very seriously. Road accidents usually just make a few column inches in the local rag. The causes are not properly investigated (were all land rovers grounded and all motorway bridges imposed with a 5mph speed limit after Great Heck? - were they heck. How long was the M62 shut? a few hours, the East Coast Mainline - weeks, whilst a full investigation was accomplished.

I'm off to the pub! - on foot